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Old 05-25-2012, 10:55 AM   #121
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collapsible stocks with flash suppressors are legal in Kali ?
That's what this thread is all about.
With a fixed magazine, the magazine capacity is restricted to 10 rounds, and minimum OAL is 30".

By using a bullet button, the magazine is classified as "fixed" and we have case law supporting this.

A 14.5" barrel with a Smith Vortex flash hider pinned and welded to the barrel to avoid NFA SBR status and an AR-15 pattern comes in at just over 30" with any collapsible stock on a standard Commercial or Mil-spec buffer tube.

Folding stock is a problem though... Not only is the OAL below 30" when folded, but California measures for SBR status in the SHORTEST operable configuration, BATFE measures in the longest.
We can run a folding stock if we install a fake can to keep the OAL at 30" for centerfire or 26" for rimfire when folded (same way we can keep a Bullpup legal)



Now Yee wants to pass a law that bans the bullet button.
Dumbass doesn't realize that with the hundreds of thousands of rifles that have been built since 2006, it would re-open a new registration period since they can't simply confiscate the guns.
A new registration period is the LAST thing the DOJ wants... that would allow every one of us to register our guns as legal AW. At that point, we'd be able to remove our bullet buttons and run 30rd magazines.

California Legal...

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Old 05-25-2012, 01:58 PM   #122
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And before anyone jumps on this, it is important to remember some of the terminology and the mindset of the framers.

In 1780, "well regulated" meant "well staffed", and in some contexts, "well equipped"
The colonists who fought the British occupation, as well as the colonists who fought on the side of the British, were referred to as "regulars"

Also, the original Congress was opposed to the establishment of a standing army. They did not believe that the Federal government should have that level of power.
Their ideas for the defense of the country rested with a volunteer army (same as we have now), comprised of normal citizens who went about their normal lives until they were needed to defend their land (not the full time job that the military is today).

The closest thing to what they envisioned was the state National Guard... but the important thing to remember is that the 2A was put in place to provide a means for the private citizens to defend themselves against an oppressive government.


Likewise, the 2A provides a means for the citizens to protect a GOOD government.
Should a minority of the people decide to overthrow the government, a well armed populace will ensure that they are not successful.

A good, just government need not fear it's citizens. It's citizens will protect it if they feel that it is threatened.



I disagree I'd say the closest thing is like a force we have here in GA its called the Georgia State Defense force its state military and has been around in one form or another since the British settled Savannah and Brunswick/St. Simons with their forts...in GA law there is also authorization for a state navy all under the control of the Governor of Georgia


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he Georgia State Defense Force’s rich heritage dates back to England. Under the direction of General James Oglethorpe, Sergeants of the Guard trained future colonists in militia tactics. Georgia settlers arriving in 1733 became members of General Oglethorpe’s militia and were called up during the Battle of Bloody Marsh in 1742 to help repel the Spanish invasion of Georgia. These militia forces later joined General George Washington in the fight for American Independence.
The volunteer militia remained in continuous service throughout the 18th and 19th centuries. During this time, the militia participated in Indian wars against the Creeks, Cherokees, and Choctaws, and, with the outbreak of the American Civil War, Georgia responded with over 100 volunteer regiments, battalions, and batteries. The portion that remained at home helped to defend Atlanta and Macon, shadowed by the Union advance in 1864. This volunteer commitment was second only in number to the Commonwealth of Virginia. After World War I, the militia was called to put down labor unrest at factories and mills across the state.
In 1940, with the onset of World War II, Governor E.D. Rivers requested the American Legion to organize the Georgia State Defense Corps. The next year, in 1941, it was activated and placed under the command of Brigadier General Omar Bradley, commanding officer at Ft. Benning, Georgia. Its name was shortly changed to the State Defense Corps of Georgia and then to the Georgia State Guard in 1942. During World War II, 8,000 volunteer members guarded war plants, critical communications facilities, utilities, reservoirs, and transportation facilities. They were trained to repel an invasion that never came. Although not officially disbanded until 1951, the Georgia State Guard began its retirement in July 1946.
The Georgia State Guard was re-authorized in 1973 to serve as a constabulary force, and throughout the 1970s and 1980s was tasked to serve as a backup for state police forces. Legislation resulted in the first muster in 1985 when it was re-activated as the Georgia State Defense Force under the command of Brigadier General John Gillette. The force was tasked to provide a cadre around a larger force to assume the vacated domestic missions of Georgia National Guard members called to federal duty.
The current Georgia State Defense Force is authorized by the federal government under 32 USC 109(e), by the State of Georgia under Title 38 of the Official Code of Georgia, and under NGR 10-4 (National Guard Bureau). The Georgia Department of Defense is composed of the State Defense Force, the Army National Guard, and the Air National Guard, all of whom serve under the direction of the adjutant general of Georgia.
Recent operations include support to National Guard units during the Gulf War, participation in the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games, emergency aid to agencies such as the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and Georgia Emergency Management Agency (GEMA), support to Georgia National Guard units and their families since 2001, and activation during the 2004 G-8 Summit at Sea Island and the 2005 Katrina and Rita hurricane evacuations.
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:23 PM   #123
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I disagree I'd say the closest thing is like a force we have here in GA its called the Georgia State Defense force
I agree... I was trying to keep it simple for those unfamiliar with units like that.

Part of the problem is that the definition of "State" has changed in relation to the few countries that still use the term, but have large federal power centralization.

The United States was intended to be a union of INDEPENDENT states.
The Bill of Rights and the Constitution specifically limited the powers of the Federal government.
What we have become is more of a collection of provinces, when what the framers had in mind was something more like the EU, with the sole purpose of the Federal government to be to maintain consistency and allow for free travel and trade between the states.

In 1776, it was a VERY revolutionary idea... an idea that did not come to Europe until a couple of decades ago.

Sadly, the idea was so revolutionary that those who followed the founders did not understand the full impact of their erosions of the original architecture.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:37 PM   #124
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Yep...when Jefferson talked about loving his country he meant Virginia...States are countries Florida just 30 mins south of me is an independent country that just happened to be united for a common goal with the other 49 states
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:03 PM   #126
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That's what this thread is all about.
With a fixed magazine, the magazine capacity is restricted to 10 rounds, and minimum OAL is 30".

By using a bullet button, the magazine is classified as "fixed" and we have case law supporting this.

A 14.5" barrel with a Smith Vortex flash hider pinned and welded to the barrel to avoid NFA SBR status and an AR-15 pattern comes in at just over 30" with any collapsible stock on a standard Commercial or Mil-spec buffer tube.

Folding stock is a problem though... Not only is the OAL below 30" when folded, but California measures for SBR status in the SHORTEST operable configuration, BATFE measures in the longest.
We can run a folding stock if we install a fake can to keep the OAL at 30" for centerfire or 26" for rimfire when folded (same way we can keep a Bullpup legal)



Now Yee wants to pass a law that bans the bullet button.
Dumbass doesn't realize that with the hundreds of thousands of rifles that have been built since 2006, it would re-open a new registration period since they can't simply confiscate the guns.
A new registration period is the LAST thing the DOJ wants... that would allow every one of us to register our guns as legal AW. At that point, we'd be able to remove our bullet buttons and run 30rd magazines.

California Legal...

Thanks for the explanation. I also live in a horrid state for gun laws (NJ). Luckily I cross the border into PA every day and their laws are much more lax.
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Yeah, that'll work. Enact another gun law
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Old 05-29-2012, 05:10 PM   #128
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Thanks for the explanation. I also live in a horrid state for gun laws (NJ). Luckily I cross the border into PA every day and their laws are much more lax.

Yep PA has some of the most liberal guns laws on where you can and cant carry in the US...NH is actually the best you ever hang out on www.Pafoa.org ??
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REVIVING. iono if its been stated or not yet but heres what i found

due to this.

SCREW YEE FOR AMENDING A AGRICULTUARL bill into a second amendment poisioning one, if anyone every sees Yee, please scream "SEAN SAYS TO GO FUCK YOURSELF"

Started as this-
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_0201-0250/sb_249_bill_20110714_amended_asm_v97.html

And then he changed it to this-
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_0201-0250/sb_249_bill_20120522_amended_asm_v96.html


i can not WAIT to move from this piece of shit liberal infected state
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:35 AM   #130
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Yep that sucks. Why not try and get it on the ballot for a repeal. Every other right in that state has been voted on by the public.
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