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Bull pup 3 27.27%
ak 12 3 27.27%
i will stay origanal ak47 4 36.36%
im sticking to my M4 variant.. 1 9.09%
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:35 PM   #1
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"NEW AK" and Bullpup

just ran into this, i know its old, but i wanted to start a poll, so please, vote on whether or not you wold buy #1, #2 and then post the caliber you would want
World Here Are Two New Russian Guns That Our Troops Could Face On the Battlefield


As the U.S. military looks to replace the M-4 carbine, Russia is set to produce its own next-generation rifles in 2012 that could turn up in hotspots around the world, and possibly oppose U.S. troops.
First, let‘s take a look at what’s in the near-future of the AK (Avtomat Kalashnikova) family of rifles.
The Russian AK-47 is probably the most widely recognized and produced rifle in the world. After over six decades of use by the Soviets, their client, and even Islamic extremist groups state that it has become an emblematic symbol for many of America’s enemies. It appears on the Hezbollah flag, and in countless films as the ‘bad guy’ weapon of choice.
Well, the storied and iconic AK is about to get a major upgrade.
1) The AK-12 (AK-200)

Introducing the AK-12. The primary changes to the traditional AK-47 are a 60 round magazine, folding stock, rail system, and a bipod/handguard. Its control mechanism have been ergonomically honed such that single-hand operation is possible. This means an injured soldier can stay in the fight with only one good hand.
The rail system will make the gun compatible with modern firearms accessories, a major upgrade over the older AK models that were not easy to fit with lights, sights, and other additions.
AK-12 possible calibers will include 5.45mm, 5.56mm NATO, 7.62×39mm and a new caliber that has not yet been announced. Some gun enthusiasts have offered that the new caliber may be the 6.5mm Grendel, but that is unconfirmed. The Izhmash munitions plants — the grand-daddy of Kalashnikov production — is set to begin producing the AK-12 in 2012 (hence the name change from AK-200).


2) TsKIB ASH-12

The Russians have created a brand-spanking new bullpup rifle that packs a punch, and it’s called the Ash-12. Russia’s TsKIB SOO, a subsidiary of the KBP (Instrument Design Bureau) is trying to revolutionize large-caliber, highly portable infantry weapons with this new model. It’s not a gussied up member of the British SA-80 family, but you could say it’s an L85A1 on steroids.
The Ash-12 is chambered in a new family of 12.7×55mm cartridges specifically designed for this weapon, and it’s a monster of a cartridge. As the Firearms Blog puts it:
“It is similar in size, and probably power, to the .50 Beowulf. To help mitigate recoil, the ASh-12 is fitted with a large two-baffle muzzle brake. The 12.7×55mm assault rifle cartridge is based on the 12.7×55mm subsonic rifle cartridge (similar to the .500 Whisper)… TsKIB SOO have developed a FMJ, soft-point, lead and armour piercing loads for the 12.7×55mm assault rifle cartridge.”
Between the AK-12 and the Ash-12, it looks like Russia is set to put some pretty formidable new hardware into the hands of its ground troops. And given the history of the AK, it’s probably only a matter of time until these high-tech shooters turn up in the hands of our enemies abroad.
(h/t the firearms blog)
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60 round mag = stupid.
they make 100rd mags for m4s
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I'll reload once in a while and have a lighter weapon personally
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:02 PM   #5
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I'll reload once in a while and have a lighter weapon personally
agreed when it comes to an assault rifle. but when i was in i was used to 200 rd drums. i like that bull pup though
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:06 PM   #6
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Introducing the AK-12. The primary changes to the traditional AK-47 are a 60 round magazine, folding stock, rail system, and a bipod/handguard.
Everything except the 60-rd magazine (which may not be desirable given the increased weight) is already available on AK platform rifles today, and you can buy them in the US. So what's actually new?

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Everything except the 60-rd magazine (which may not be desirable given the increased weight) is already available on AK platform rifles today, and you can buy them in the US. So what's actually new?

Its control mechanism have been ergonomically honed such that single-hand operation is possible. This means an injured soldier can stay in the fight with only one good hand.

i dont own an ak. used one a few times but not enough to be familiar with it to use it one handed
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As long as the bad arm can still be used to support the rifle, the necessary controls (trigger, charging handle and mag release) can all be done with the good hand. If the bad arm cannot support the rifle, then you can't get any accuracy out of the rifle and should transition to pistol.
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As long as the bad arm can still be used to support the rifle, the necessary controls (trigger, charging handle and mag release) can all be done with the good hand. If the bad arm cannot support the rifle, then you can't get any accuracy out of the rifle and should transition to pistol.
Kinda off topic, but I do like the ACR's ambidextrous charging handle.
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Kinda off topic, but I do like the ACR's ambidextrous charging handle.
the acr is ok. im going to move towards a 6.8 upper when i begin my ar build
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As long as the bad arm can still be used to support the rifle, the necessary controls (trigger, charging handle and mag release) can all be done with the good hand. If the bad arm cannot support the rifle, then you can't get any accuracy out of the rifle and should transition to pistol.
also, if you noticed i said "NEW AK" i dont know much about them...the post was manly for the bulpup.here ill delete the ak part
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the acr is ok. im going to move towards a 6.8 upper when i begin my ar build
I'm in the process of building an AR10. Something about .308 I just can't get away from..
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the acr is ok. im going to move towards a 6.8 upper when i begin my ar build

i have a 6.8 gas piston upper
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Nice, I have that same Quad Rail on my AR15 I love it. I put A Magpul Angled Front Grip on it

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I bet money on the AK12 series being a utter piece of shit.

I've seen the schematic, and the counterweight recoil bullshit is going to fuck the weapon up severely. The AK12 takes a massive shit right in the middle of the floor when it comes to the reliability department.
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I bet money on the AK12 series being a utter piece of shit.

I've seen the schematic, and the counterweight recoil bullshit is going to fuck the weapon up severely. The AK12 takes a massive shit right in the middle of the floor when it comes to the reliability department.
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I bet money on the AK12 series being a utter piece of shit.

I've seen the schematic, and the counterweight recoil bullshit is going to fuck the weapon up severely. The AK12 takes a massive shit right in the middle of the floor when it comes to the reliability department.
I agree, something about having an AK that can shoot 5.56 just doesn't sound right to me..
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