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Old 01-16-2013, 05:43 PM   #41
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The Greatest Generation defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan with M-1 Garands that only held seven rounds.
And a nuclear bomb or two.
 
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The Greatest Generation defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan with M-1 Garands that only held seven rounds.
I like this statement
 
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Canada ?
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I say a lot of people will be moving there.
We're full.

Besides... we know that's how you got Texas and Hawaii.
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I say we institute small spoons and forks for the fat ass mericans (25% of our population)!!!!!!!!!
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Who cares if it someone needs an AK for home defense or not. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that I need a specific type of firearm for a specific reason
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Here in lies the problem it was written a long time ago times change.
The first part of the amendment says "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state"
So it looks like there are going to be some regulations.

The second part says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Saying you can't own this firearm, but you can still chose from those left, is still allowing you to keep and bear arms. It's just regulated... see above.
 
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x2. and TN is trying to pass something that saying they will not found any federal laws, and that the feds will have to found it for the hole state. pretty much saying we are not going to abide by any new laws, because we wont found them with our state money.
 
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The Greatest Generation defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan with M-1 Garands that only held seven rounds.
M1 Garands hold 8 rounds. know like 4 people that have them and have shot them a lot.
 
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The Greatest Generation defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan with M-1 Garands that only held seven rounds.
This statement has no implication to today's technology, that was the best stuff we had at the time. If the enemy had m4's with 30 round mags I think the outcome would have been different.
 
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Except roll back time and give Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan AK-47's and M-16's. and bigger bombs Now who wins?

I don't think many people understand the second amendment or what its all about.

Who are the protectors of the nation in general? Law Enforcement and Military. Both carry High Capacity weapons and assault rifles. Why? Because otherwise they would be outgunned by those that would challenge them correct?

So what we are saying by banning weapons and high capacity magazines is, you dont need these for protection, you can just have a shotgun or a 38 special.

So now you are reducing the ability for a citizen to protect himself, leaving him or her outgunned by those that would choose to do them harm. So why the double standard? Why dont we remove assualt weapons and high capacity magazines from law enforcement and military?

Are we as a nation saying that only law enforcement and military need to be armed to combat violence? Everyone else should be unarmed or under armed?

As a free man the second amendment guarantees your right to keep and bear arms. The argument is always that you dont need weapon XY or Z but the second amendment makes no such distinction. If there was a distinction to be made it would have been made when it was written. For example, Only those in the regular army can carry muskets but citizens are restricted to handguns.

The concept is that a citizen should be equally armed to that of the government aka military. If the citizens are to be less armed then that defeats the whole idea of the second amendment.

This whole gun debate is laughable. Imagine if the leaders of the world got together and decided the US had far to devastating weapons and should be restricted because its not fair to the other nations. Thats it US turn in your M-16's your F16's your laser guided bombs, because after all we did it with M1 Garands that carried 7 rounds why not just go back to that?

Use some common sense folks.
 
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The Greatest Generation defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan with M-1 Garands that only held seven rounds.
...that was technology in 1941 (actually it was old tech by then)...

internal magazine w/ an enbloc "clip" (an actual "clip") that's what made the distinctive "ping" sound after firing the last shot, and surely helped get a lot of GI's killed, ...the enemy knowing their rifle was empty...
 
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Except roll back time and give Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan AK-47's and M-16's. and bigger bombs Now who wins?

I don't think many people understand the second amendment or what its all about.

Who are the protectors of the nation in general? Law Enforcement and Military. Both carry High Capacity weapons and assault rifles. Why? Because otherwise they would be outgunned by those that would challenge them correct?

So what we are saying by banning weapons and high capacity magazines is, you dont need these for protection, you can just have a shotgun or a 38 special.

So now you are reducing the ability for a citizen to protect himself, leaving him or her outgunned by those that would choose to do them harm. So why the double standard? Why dont we remove assualt weapons and high capacity magazines from law enforcement and military?

Are we as a nation saying that only law enforcement and military need to be armed to combat violence? Everyone else should be unarmed or under armed?

As a free man the second amendment guarantees your right to keep and bear arms. The argument is always that you dont need weapon XY or Z but the second amendment makes no such distinction. If there was a distinction to be made it would have been made when it was written. For example, Only those in the regular army can carry muskets but citizens are restricted to handguns.

The concept is that a citizen should be equally armed to that of the government aka military. If the citizens are to be less armed then that defeats the whole idea of the second amendment.

This whole gun debate is laughable. Imagine if the leaders of the world got together and decided the US had far to devastating weapons and should be restricted because its not fair to the other nations. Thats it US turn in your M-16's your F16's your laser guided bombs, because after all we did it with M1 Garands that carried 7 rounds why not just go back to that?

Use some common sense folks.
precisely! ...you'd think it would be common sense, usually that epiphany doesn't hit the sheep until they start getting corralled...

personally i made the decision for myself that i "need" AR-15s, ...and so I have three of them (redundancy is a good thing) i take being a citizen over being a subject any day
 
Old 01-16-2013, 06:45 PM   #50
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Should a citizen be allowed to own a bazooka or Javelin system ?
 
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...funny we haven't heard the usual catcalls of "tinfoil hatter", etc, etc.. on this thread... hmm.... oh, wait, ...we were right...
 
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...funny we haven't heard the usual catcalls of "tinfoil hatter", etc, etc.. on this thread... hmm.... oh, wait, ...we were right...
right about what ?
 
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Should a citizen be allowed to own a bazooka or Javelin system ?
"should" in reference to "if one could", ...or "should" in the context of "shall one be permitted"?
 
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Unless a new war breaks out within the country. Then shit will really hit the fan.

Obama's inaguration is comming up, lets see how this goes.
as many great leaders have said in the past that rebelling and revolutions are needed every once in a while because goverments get too much power and need reshaping. after all its goverment for the people by the people , lets not forget the first words of our constitution we the people. anyways if inflation continues like the way it is with our monetary system, the housing bubble continues to see banks being shady and national debtcontinue to increase not to mention our privacy taken away with " the patriot act" and now wanna take our protection away from us. yea eventually you will see a revolution. a much needed one. this is happening all over the world and we needed more than anybody else.
 
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"should" in reference to "if one could", ...or "should" in the context of "shall one be permitted"?
it's English , but I'll try again

In your opinion , should citizens be allowed to own bazookas and similar heavy weapons ?
 
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right about what ?
in that they want to take them away, persecute and humiliate gunowners, and criminalize as many as possible w/ a stroke of the pen...
 
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in that they want to take them away, persecute and humiliate gunowners, and criminalize as many as possible w/ a stroke of the pen...
You mean regulate possesion of certain weapons
 
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as many great leaders have said in the past that rebelling and revolutions are needed every once in a while because goverments get too much power and need reshaping.
Name them... I'll start:

1. Thomas Jefferson

... so who else? You did say many.

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it's English , but I'll try again

In your opinion , should citizens be allowed to own bazookas and similar heavy weapons ?
They already own them illegally so why not legally? If you are intent on doing harm you will get whatever it is you need to do it. Laws make no difference to the person willing to break them.
 
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it's English , but I'll try again

In your opinion , should citizens be allowed to own bazookas and similar heavy weapons ?
in a free country anybody is could do whatever they please at longest it does not interfere with somebody else's freedom. because something is very dangerous or deadly does not condone for anybody to take the freedom of being able to have it. tragedies will occur no matter what taking peoples freedom and giving the power to a central goverment (federal) defines communism. so yes citizens should be allowed, will they i dont know because our freedoms are being taken away.

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