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Old 02-23-2013, 02:59 PM   #61
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It passed the house. Still has to pass the Senate; which it will though. Colorado is being overrun by ex Californians.

HEY im an ex-californian and in no way agree with these new stricter laws....theses laws dont affect criminals in anyway because regardless they are just going to go around laws! They only affect people who follow the law which sucks for us....
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This whole ban idea is getting out if hand. Our RIGHTS as American gun owners are in the process of being violated! We are headed in the wrong direction. When I was young, this great nation was concerned about the threat of nuclear war, who could have imagined that the real threat would come from our own GOVERNMENT! Wait! I stand corrected, our FOREFATHERS did!!!!! Tim
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The new Colorado law would NOT prohibit possession of 15 rd magazines if they were owned prior to the ban's effective date.

Since pre-ban mags dont have date stamps or serial numbers than stock up now.
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The new Colorado law would NOT prohibit possession of 15 rd magazines if they were owned prior to the ban's effective date.

Since pre-ban mags dont have date stamps or serial numbers than stock up now.
How dumb! (but good for gun owners). What's to stop someone from driving to Wyoming, Utah, New Mexico, Kansas or Nebraska and buying a bunch and claiming they've owned them before the law took effect. The law will do nothing other than be a feather in the cap of "them".
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that was an awesome speech! thanks for putting that on my radar!
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How dumb! (but good for gun owners). What's to stop someone from driving to Wyoming, Utah, New Mexico, Kansas or Nebraska and buying a bunch and claiming they've owned them before the law took effect. The law will do nothing other than be a feather in the cap of "them".
well of course! ...and your're right, ...this is being done for one reason, and one reason only: orthodoxy/ideology and arm twisting from nat'l ideologues... it's about scoring a political victory, and controlling people...

...like NY, the rural counties will probably nullify it by not complying and so will the CLEOs...
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How dumb! (but good for gun owners). What's to stop someone from driving to Wyoming, Utah, New Mexico, Kansas or Nebraska and buying a bunch and claiming they've owned them before the law took effect. The law will do nothing other than be a feather in the cap of "them".
well the new law DOES ban and criminalize importation of 15 rd magazines after the implimentation date so you dont want to get caught doing that.

however, if you assert your right to remain silent and dont answer questions then just like here in California, its nearly impossible for the government goonz to prove where and when the magazines entered the state and prosecution becomes very difficult.
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The new Colorado law would NOT prohibit possession of 15 rd magazines if they were owned prior to the ban's effective date.

Since pre-ban mags dont have date stamps or serial numbers than stock up now.
Shhh.. this is a well known flaw of the bill. Let's not post such things on public forums to give them ample time to amend the bill to correct these oversights.
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Shhh.. this is a well known flaw of the bill. Let's not post such things on public forums to give them ample time to amend the bill to correct these oversights.
its not a worry. the lawmakers knew it would be impossible to have a retroactive ban. even ultra gun grabbing california knew it.

its all going to be temporary though because there is a very good chance SCOTUS will strike down magazine capacity limits.
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its not a worry. the lawmakers knew it would be impossible to have a retroactive ban. even ultra gun grabbing california knew it.

its all going to be temporary though because there is a very good chance SCOTUS will strike down magazine capacity limits.
We shall see. They just upheld a ruling that a citizens right to conceal carry isn't upheld by the 2nd amendment. The SCOTUS isn't really where I want to hang my hopes when it comes to firearms these days.
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We shall see. They just upheld a ruling that a citizens right to conceal carry isn't upheld by the 2nd amendment. The SCOTUS isn't really where I want to hang my hopes when it comes to firearms these days.

Thats completly wrong. The 7th circuit just overturned Illinios ban on concealed carry permits in Moore vs Madigan.

http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/Q31FFRZF.pdf

That case is now most likely going to the SCOTUS and most people believe they will uphold the decision.

When you consider the Heller decision and McDonald decision the SCOTUS is pretty much kicking ass for the 2nd Amendment in the last 4 years.
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The new Colorado law would NOT prohibit possession of 15 rd magazines if they were owned prior to the ban's effective date.

Since pre-ban mags dont have date stamps or serial numbers than stock up now.
The circular graphic is manufature date on Pmags
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Thats completly wrong. The 7th circuit just overturned Illinios ban on concealed carry permits in Moore vs Madigan.

http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/Q31FFRZF.pdf

That case is now most likely going to the SCOTUS and most people believe they will uphold the decision.

When you consider the Heller decision and McDonald decision the SCOTUS is pretty much kicking ass for the 2nd Amendment in the last 4 years.
You should check your own facts before calling someone 'completely wrong' because in this case I'm completely right.

Federal court says concealed handgun permits not protected by the 2nd Amendment.

This was a Colorado case that was appealed and failed on Friday. This thread is a discussion about Colorado and it's pending bills. How am I 'completely wrong' again?
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You should check your own facts before calling someone 'completely wrong' because in this case I'm completely right.

Federal court says concealed handgun permits not protected by the 2nd Amendment.

This was a Colorado case that was appealed and failed on Friday. This thread is a discussion about Colorado and it's pending bills. How am I 'completely wrong' again?

Sorry, you are not "completely wrong", you are just "mostly wrong". That case basically has no significance because it dealt with the narrow issue of non resident concealed carry permits.
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The circular graphic is manufature date on Pmags
wrent those the magazines made during the period where date stamps were required ?
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Sorry, you are not "completely wrong", you are just "mostly wrong". That case basically has no significance because it dealt with the narrow issue of non resident concealed carry permits.
Read it again because the basis of the ruling was what I said several times... The 10th circuit court stated very clearly: The right to conceal carry was NOT protected by the 2nd amendment.
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Read it again because the basis of the ruling was what I said several times... The 10th circuit court stated very clearly: The right to conceal carry was NOT protected by the 2nd amendment.
I havent read the entire ruling yet but I have read the analysis of it and I have been familiar with this case for awhile.

http://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/11/11-1149.pdf

We now have split circuit courts (10th vs 7th) in regards to rulings on concealed carry. This makes it more likely that SCOTUS will hear the issue and thats a good thing.

My original post on this issue was a response to your statement that you have little faith in SCOTUS.

The current court is probably the most gun rights friendly court America has ever had. There is no other way to view Heller and McDonald except as major victories for gun rights and the 2nd Amendment.

This is the court that is going to hear the concealed carry issue.

There is a 80% chance they will rule in favor of concealed carry permits.
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