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Old 03-06-2013, 01:11 PM   #21
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I love statistics like this.. Thanks for posting this. (Not sarcastic).

Not make make light of this but from what I can tell. People over 65 are bullet proof unless they shoot them selves. Babies bounce. And the way I am most likely to die this year is if I poison my self. (some sarcasm).

I am curious though. How may instances to you see where people poison accidentally poison them self? I am guessing this is ODing on drugs or alcohol?
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I love statistics like this.. Thanks for posting this. (Not sarcastic).

Not make make light of this but from what I can tell. People over 65 are bullet proof unless they shoot them selves. Babies bounce. And the way I am most likely to die this year is if I poison my self. (some sarcasm).

I am curious though. How may instances to you see where people poison accidentally poison them self? I am guessing this is ODing on drugs or alcohol?

Nononono... This is only unintentional injury death. I chose this chart specifically because it is for unintentional injury death... drownings, homicides, ect... As it relates to the op. Your only most likely to die from unintentional poisoning if your only way to die is by unintentional injury....

Unintentional injury deaths are the leading cause (this entire 1st chart) of death in some age groups.

ALL Leading causes of death (not classified as unintentional injury):






As you can see, heart disease is by far the leading cause of death... Unintentional injury is #5 as far as totals go.

And yes, I do believe unintentional poisoning is overdose related.
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I would say top cause of stupidity is Bad Parenting. Which could lead to death.
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Nononono... This is only unintentional injury death. I chose this chart specifically because it is for unintentional injury death... drownings, homicides, ect... As it relates to the op. Your only most likely to die from unintentional poisoning if your only way to die is by unintentional injury....

Unintentional injury deaths are the leading cause (this entire 1st chart) of death in some age groups.

ALL Leading causes of death (not classified as unintentional injury):






As you can see, heart disease is by far the leading cause of death... Unintentional injury is #5 as far as totals go.

And yes, I do believe unintentional poisoning is overdose related.
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Nononono... This is only unintentional injury death. I chose this chart specifically because it is for unintentional injury death... drownings, homicides, ect... As it relates to the op. Your only most likely to die from unintentional poisoning if your only way to die is by unintentional injury....

Unintentional injury deaths are the leading cause (this entire 1st chart) of death in some age groups.

ALL Leading causes of death (not classified as unintentional injury):






As you can see, heart disease is by far the leading cause of death... Unintentional injury is #5 as far as totals go.

And yes, I do believe unintentional poisoning is overdose related.

Ahh good old unintentional injury. That sounds more like me. I almost added my self to this statistic last year. No Joke.

I was cleaning out the dish washer. I had noticed a bread knife fell on the heating element. The plastic handle of the knife melted to the element.
While I was in there trying to pry the knife off.. I had the though. I should get some gloves... Just As I completed that thought the knife pop'ed off the heating coil, bounced off the back wall to the dish washer and right into the back of my wrist. Cutting trough all the tendons, muscle and tissue on the back of my wrist, to the bone.

This was in the PM right before bed. I though.. It is not bleeding that bad. I'll just sleep it off. I woke up in the morning to what looked like a murder scene. The pillow I was resting my wrist on was soaked through with blood. almost to the point of dripping if it had not got all blackish and cloty. The sheets and mattress were ruined. My wife got a little scared when she saw how white (loss of color in my face and arm) I waled to the bath room and went to put water on my wrist. I don't know why I did that but it was that sort of drunken hazy feeling. As soon as the cold water hit my wrist I blacked out. Woke up a few seconds later to the wife freeing out. I asked her if she would drive me too the ER. I don't remember the rest of that day.
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I don't understand where there could be any confusion in the statistics quoted in the article.

Drownings claim far more children than gun's. Car accidents far greater than that.

True, there is no consideration on how idiotic the parent's are. Just raw numbers.

Obviously, a kid being raised in a criminal/drug/gang affiliated houshold or neighborhood stands more gun risk than others.

And one with daily access to a pool higher than one without. But none of this changes the overall numbers for the nation as a whole.
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what he said. So if you dont have a pool, less likely of drowning. If you dont have a gun, less likely of being killed by a gun. Pretty self explanatory.

You didn't consider the percentages shown. Pools far more risky than gun ownership on a per capita basis. Cars thousands of times more risky per capita. Taking kid to the doctor more risky than gun ownership overall.
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You didn't consider the percentages shown. Pools far more risky than gun ownership on a per capita basis. Cars thousands of times more risky per capita. Taking kid to the doctor more risky than gun ownership overall.
This... about 133 million housing units in the US;

10.4 million residential pools in the United states - Less than 10%

An estimated 40% of those same 133 million have guns in the house - Around 53 million...

So that kinda disproves dizzle's argument...
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In 2010, in unintentional injury deaths, in all kids under 14, Drowning is more likely (about 3x) to be the cause than a firearm used on accident, in a homicide or suicide.
Interesting that "Unintentional Firearm" only appears once on the chart with 26 incidents... #10 in the 10-24 age group.
Definitely not in agreement with the indoctrination of children that guns are going to kill someone all by themselves.

Homicide and suicide, removing guns from the issue, will move to another method for the most part.
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these statistics are stupid and completely erroneous.
Agreed, by next year US gun deaths are most likely to surpass auto deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/dea...10_release.pdf
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Agreed, by next year US gun deaths are most likely to surpass auto deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/dea...10_release.pdf

What's driving that is the societal, cultural and criminal behavior problems we have. If guns never were invented, it would be knives, swords or some other weapon gaining on auto deaths.
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What's driving that is the societal, cultural and criminal behavior problems we have. If guns never were invented, it would be knives, swords or some other weapon gaining on auto deaths.
Firearm homicide about 1/4 transportation.

The gap is closing because transportation fatalities are dropping while the population increases.
Guns, knives, swords... it's going to be longer than "next year"
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Firearm homicide about 1/4 transportation.

The gap is closing because transportation fatalities are dropping while the population increases.
Guns, knives, swords... it's going to be longer than "next year"
So you don't believe the CDC? Yes there are other means of offing people but the the gun is a far more efficient tool. Never take a knife to a gun fight.
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Traffic fatalities are consistently getting lower due to the automotive industry building safer cars every year. Every new car has all kinds of standard safety features like air bags, electronic stability control, and the like. It's much easier to drive a car safely than it was in the past. Gun manufacturers are incorporating some innovative safety features in weapons now that are quite effective. The difference is that there are still tons of older weapons available with only a safety switch, or none at all. And unlike cars that get replaced every 5-10 years, guns last a lifetime and longer.
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Agreed, by next year US gun deaths are most likely to surpass auto deaths. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/dea...10_release.pdf
That link is 123 pages of data. Can you point out where it states gun deaths are going to surpass auto deaths in 2013?

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Firearm homicide about 1/4 transportation.

The gap is closing because transportation fatalities are dropping while the population increases.
Guns, knives, swords... it's going to be longer than "next year"
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So you don't believe the CDC? Yes there are other means of offing people but the the gun is a far more efficient tool. Never take a knife to a gun fight.
I agree that car safety is getting far better, but i am not seeing where what youre saying is stated. and i cant think we're decreasing car deaths so substantially while increasing gun deaths substantially enough for that to happen this year.
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So you don't believe the CDC? Yes there are other means of offing people but the the gun is a far more efficient tool. Never take a knife to a gun fight.
Already covered in other threads.

I'll happily go up against your gun with a knife if I can get to within 10ft of you (casual conversation/asking directions) before beginning my attack.

I don't believe the CDC if they project that gun deaths will surpass automobile deaths in the next 10 years.
I do believe the CDC is pandering to their funding sources in Washington if they project that gun deaths will surpass automobile deaths in the next 12 months.

The numbers simply do not support those claims.
We are losing almost 40,000 per year to transportation accidents.
That number has been declining due to improvements in vehicle safety, but has only dropped by about 10% over the last 10 years.

We are losing about 11,000 per year to ALL gun related deaths.
Subtract suicide from that, because those are going to take place one way or another. Subtract police action from that as well, unless it is actually ruled by the courts to be a homicide and the officer convicted.


We have a saying at the office when the engineer asks for a traffic study:
"What do you want the numbers to say?"

The raw data can be presented in a form that can tell any story you would like... in the case of the CDC, their numbers will tell a story that ensures their continued funding.

So on reports like this, ignore the verbiage, ignore the charts and graphs.
Look at the raw data and draw your own conclusions.
And yes... it's going to take a few hours of study, application of logic, and critical thinking to draw those conclusions.
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