Originally Posted by RevAdam
A) You can call Noveske and they will ship you all the barrels you can afford. I know for a fact though that they will NOT deviate from their design spec. PacNor is most likely where Wes is getting barrels from (That's where Noveske gets their blanks) and is a known GA Precision supplier... When I do a Stainless upper, I use Noveske barrels, but there's nothing really super special about them, I mostly buy them because they include a gas block, and I like talking to Sheri on the phone.
B) There's really no such thing as a custom AR builder. It's more like a lego set than anything. I have over a dozen "custom" ARs, but it's more of picking parts out of a catalog than hand fitting each piece such as a 1911. No one has really changed an important design element on the AR platform since it's inception. The only real recent novelties are ambi lowers, but the only people that have that right is KAC.
C) Sub MOA AR eh? I guess I'll have to take your word for it. A combat AR won't ever be sub MOA (And usually not even 1 or 2 MOA), and these guys shooting service rifle comps, you really don't want to tote one of those around for a long time.
D) You don't see many people shooting 3 gun with a 14.5'r... Also a interesting choice in muzzle brake for a competition rifle. I use SJC comps on my weekend rifles, but it's all personal preference.
E) I'm sure Wes builds some nice stuff, but it is an AR we are talking about here. There are no less than 500 companies all floating their AR wares out there. The only difference between one and the other is who their friends are. That's where the money is. Get Costa or Haley to finger fiddle one of your ARs and you'll be a millionaire too....
F) My point is simple. If someone has had some bad dealings in the past, there are WAY too many other places to get things in the AR world. ARs aren't like 1911s where the market is tight and there's not a lot of whizbang go-fast goodies that market to Joe Airsofter, so there's no reason to deal with anyone difficult, or wait on someone 6 months for anything.
G) I'm really glad you like your ARs. You should consider building your own. There's really nothing magical about assembling one.
Not to get in an argument with you but, I can assure you some of your "facts" above are incorrect and /or are based on interesting logic.
A) Noveske does in fact turn a special contour for MSTN and they do...if you'd like to argue about that with Wes and Noveske, please feel free to call them. Noveske usually charges Wes an additional $50 for that on top of their normal prices, and Wes gets his barrels directly from Noveske.
B) In regards to custom "AR Builders" there aren't too many builders out there that will got through 50+ bolts to find the best fit...and quite frankly, there aren't too many individuals that can afford to buy that many to just get the right fit.
C) Everyone of my AR's built by Wes is sub-MOA...if you'd like to come shoot one, please sign up for one of our classes and I'll let you run one of my rifles. Wes has a general rule, if it's not sub-MOA it doesn't pass his test. If you don't trust me take Taran Butler's word for it, I believe he has several comments that you can browse on the MSTN Facebook page.
D) 14.5" is actually a great length for 3-gun, it's what I shoot and it works like a champ. Light, fast, and great recoil with a mid-length gas system and the VLTOR A5 buffer system, you should try it. Also, I am short...so, that helps...as you said...to each their own.
E) I fundamentally disagree with you...that's like saying there are a lot of BMW mechanics out there and the only differentiating factor is who their friends are. That's just absolute buffoonery...there are only two BMW mechanics in the United States that I let touch my S38B35 engine in my M5. There are a ton of AR builders out there...true, but not all build top-notch rifles.
F) I am not sure of Wes every being difficult, all the customers of his that I know think he has some of the best customer service period. I've never had an issue with him.
G) I have built many of my own and I am a pretty damn good AR builder...but, again...I don't have the time to test fit 50+ bolts to get the best fit. I don't even have 50+ bolts. I like to let people who are experts at their profession...do their thing and I will gladly pay for that service.
Like I said, I don't want to argue with you...we can agree to disagree on everything above. I respect your opinion and perhaps, that opinion would change if you had a MSTN upper or had the chance to shoot one for an extended period of time.