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Old 09-18-2013, 02:45 PM   #41
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He hasn't banned guns at Starbucks , you all suffer from poor reading comprehension
 
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funny that there is no mention of concealed carry...
I never understood open carry in an urban area anyways.. might has well have let your dick hang out day.. seems the same to me.
 
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You assume more than you should. The same could be said of the non-carriers. They cant comfortably relax if a law abiding citizen is exercising their right to carry? There's two sides to everything
No, I don't assume anything. You specifically implied that law abiding gun owners should not feel relaxed and comfortable at Starbucks stores.

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I wonder what your response would be if he asked people to please respect there decision for you to keep freedom of speech out of Starbucks?

Maybe you should stay at home a while...and read the constitution and the Bill of Rights a few times. One should not have to give up their rights to make someone else feel comfortable.
Remember, the open carry of guns is not banned at Starbucks, Schultz simply asked that they be left outside (car, home, etc.) because they make people uncomfortable. You can still do it; you'd just be a dick.

Regarding your weak attempt to draw an analogous scenario using the 1st Amendment - we've all been asked by our elders (parents, teachers, etc.) that if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. We can all disregard that and say mean things; we'd just be dicks. Not at all an infringement on free speech. This is the same principle as Schultz asking that guns be left outside the stores.
 
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if you guys would obviously read, this was brought up back in 2010 according to the similar threads below which nobody reads now-a-days because of all the gay diesel threads still ongoing............anyways so im sure you've bought a coffee since 2010. so quit all the crying.
 
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back in 2010.

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/gun...crossfire.html


http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/off...heir-guns.html
 
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We can make a gun carrying coffee shop called gunbucks next door to starbucks
 
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My family and friends safety comes first, so I will carry a gun where i legally can, and i have the right to bear arms.
Like was said earlier, you're underage anyway, Jake, so you have already been denied your right to bear arms. The 2nd Amendment places no age restriction, correct? Somehow, though, you are still denied the right to purchase a firearm, yet seem to be defending something not even allowed to you. In all seriousness, how terrified are you walking into a Starbucks today? You're too young to own a gun which would help you defend your family in a coffee shop, so you must be very scared when waiting in line, right?

The Constitution, not the Bill of Rights, says "[to] promote the general welfare... [of] the United States of America." The Starbucks CEO was obviously promoting what he felt was the general welfare of his clientele, albeit begrudgingly. But let's say the Constitution is to set up for a country, not an individual, eh? K....

How'sza'bout that 9th Amendement in the Bill of Rights, though, Jake? If your rights trample my rights, then who's right? (btw, I love finding that a number of folks who are anti-government turn quickly to a government-drawn document - not saying that's you since I don't know your stance, this is just some funny quirk I've noticed)

Crazily enough, it was the precursor to all, the Declaration of Independence, which said "all men are created equal." Remember, we all have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?" People have a right to be happy while getting a Starbucks, and if the majority feel it's taking away their rights that a minority is brandishing something that scares them then see your bold letters above (about putting others ahead of ourselves). Kinda like "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service."

Which document trumps the other, btw? Or do we only use the things that benefit us, and deny others the right to something they also are born with because it's against our own belief?

Door swings both ways. There is no winning any debate here for either you or me.
 
Old 09-18-2013, 03:06 PM   #48
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funny that there is no mention of concealed carry...
I never understood open carry in an urban area anyways.. might has well have let your dick hang out day.. seems the same to me.
x2. dont understand open carry in urban areas. we can OC in TN with the hand gun carry permit, but i would not do it. CC is much better for urban areas IMHO. out in the woods camping 4wheeling maybe OC.


also open carry tents to freak people out and they get worried and call the cops.(and than you have your DBs that video it and wont show ID when asked by a cop. funny because you have to have your permit on you at all times if you are carrying and you have to show it) They have no way of knowing just by looking at you, who you are and if you can legally carry a gun.(I.E not a felon or something)
 
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We can make a gun carrying coffee shop called gunbucks next door to starbucks
and sell gun cleaning supplies. call it gun breakfast.
 
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and sell gun cleaning supplies. call it gun breakfast.
get your bacon and bullet omelet
 
Old 09-18-2013, 03:19 PM   #51
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(btw, I love finding that a number of folks who are anti-government turn quickly to a government-drawn document - not saying that's you since I don't know your stance, this is just some funny quirk I've noticed)
Idk why you had to bring this up, but since you did, there's a difference between "anti-government" and "anti-big government". We turn quickly to the Constitution and Bill of Rights because the Founding Fathers were also anti-big government.
 
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We can make a gun carrying coffee shop called gunbucks next door to starbucks
Just call it ' Mericuh
 
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Just call it ' Mericuh
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get your bacon and bullet omelet
or sosage with a side of magclips because magazines and clips are the same thing.
 
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Idk why you had to bring this up, but since you did, there's a difference between "anti-government" and "anti-big government". We turn quickly to the Constitution and Bill of Rights because the Founding Fathers were also anti-big government.
Cool, that makes sense. Some fathers were big gov't and some weren't, though (eg Jefferson vs Hamilton). Political debate has raged since the beginning. lol
btw, I'm a happy gun owner.
 
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Like was said earlier, you're underage anyway, Jake, so you have already been denied your right to bear arms. The 2nd Amendment places no age restriction, correct?
I can still open or concealed carry on my property, so i still have my right to bear arms.
Yep, the politicians put those laws in place

Somehow, though, you are still denied the right to purchase a firearm, yet seem to be defending something not even allowed to you.
I'm defending the 2A because it's important, and i want my future kids to have that right to, to many people DGAF about it so it's gonna get taken away a little at a time until it's gone.
In all seriousness, how terrified are you walking into a Starbucks today?
Me? not very scared, my wallet shrieks and hides whenever i walk in though.
You're too young to own a gun which would help you defend your family in a coffee shop, so you must be very scared when waiting in line, right?
Not to scared, but there's always a possibility of something happening, and being unprepared could potentially end peoples lives.

The Constitution, not the Bill of Rights, says "[to] promote the general welfare... [of] the United States of America." The Starbucks CEO was obviously promoting what he felt was the general welfare of his clientele, albeit begrudgingly.
His choice, but because he did it doesn't mean i have to.
But let's say the Constitution is to set up for a country, not an individual, eh? K.
But was it? The constitution was set up so the people could have individual freedom

How'sza'bout that 9th Amendement in the Bill of Rights, though, Jake? If your rights trample my rights, then who's right?
If that happens then either you leave or ask the other person to leave.
(btw, I love finding that a number of folks who are anti-government turn quickly to a government-drawn document - not saying that's you since I don't know your stance, this is just some funny quirk I've noticed)
There's a big difference between the current GOV. (which i don't agree with) and Turning to the GOV. Document that was written so we could have the freedom and rights that the current GOV. is trying to take away.
Crazily enough, it was the precursor to all, the Declaration of Independence, which said "all men are created equal." Remember, we all have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?" People have a right to be happy while getting a Starbucks, and if the majority feel it's taking away their rights that a minority is brandishing something that scares them
Yep.
Brandishing? Open carry is not brandishing

Brandish:
wave or flourish something,as a threat or in anger or excitement.

then see your bold letters above (about putting others ahead of ourselves). Kinda like "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service."
And that's the stores right.
Which document trumps the other, btw?
The constitution and bill of rights trumps all other documents.
Or do we only use the things that benefit us, and deny others the right to something they also are born with because it's against our own belief?
we shouldn't "deny he right to something they also are born with because it's against our own belief" if it will cause less freedom.
I.E. i'm pro gun, Joe isn't, It gives people more freedom to keep guns legal then to make them illegal.

Door swings both ways. There is no winning any debate here for either you or me.
Yep
 
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I'm not a fan of starbucks personally just on preference for food, and I don't like coffee, but I fail to see the logic in turning against someone making a choice about what they want for their business. And I don't see the need to have a gun in a coffee shop. I know, I know "protection" and what not, but the reality is you are more likely to die from bad milk at a coffee shop than a random violent event. Just my thoughts from a no coffee drinking non gun owner that's a bit baffled as to the importance of all this
 
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So my questions are:

1) Will you stop buying Starbucks product?
2) What are your thoughts about a business owner making this kind of a statement?
I have to admit that when I was younger that I would have had no opinion and not changed my purchase habits.

I have come to learn, that it is important to steer your hard earned dollars towards those companies that are aligned with your beliefs, and to steer them away from companies that are in contradiction to your beliefs.

I consider Starbucks to be neutral.

I think that their patrons should be far more worried about me walking in with a laptop, than with a pistol, as I will only use the pistol to defend myself.
 
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IBTL! these threads never seem to end well...
 
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I have to admit that when I was younger that I would have had no opinion and not changed my purchase habits.

I have come to learn, that it is important to steer your hard earned dollars towards those companies that are aligned with your beliefs, and to steer them away from companies that are in contradiction to your beliefs.

I consider Starbucks to be neutral.

I think that their patrons should be far more worried about me walking in with a laptop, than with a pistol, as I will only use the pistol to defend myself.

agreed.. I see them as netural as well.


also for everyone taking a side.. starbucks also believes in other things.. you have to take the companies philosophies as a whole in your decision not to buy from them..
I work in the disabilities employment field.. they are a big supporter of hiring people with disabilities, and we support many people at their stores.. I was at starbucks headquarters yesterday.. , and maybe they do other things that I dont support, like using too many paper cups.. there are so many variables to consider..
 
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