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Old 02-23-2014, 10:48 AM   #21
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Not my BUG but my carry gun but this can be a good option for someone who is looking for a BUG (Kahr P380):

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I got a lot of "backup" guns. We'll just leave it at that. I'm pretty low key about my firearms
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Not my BUG but my carry gun but this can be a good option for someone who is looking for a BUG (Kahr P380):

Nice pistol. I heard some good things about kahr.
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Old 02-23-2014, 11:14 AM   #24
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my BUG is a springfeild XDs .45
every day carry is a crimson trace kimber ultra .45
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:56 PM   #25
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I think it's fairly pointless to have a BUG unless you're involved in work that has highrisk.
/\ I agree with this.

If you're in a profession that requires that you place yourself in harms way (LEO, protective detail, etc.) a back up gun [BUG] may be a useful option. For the average person with a concealed weapons permit, the idea of actually carrying a second handgun seems to fit in the category that I will politely label - "departure from reality".

Being aware of your surroundings, learning and practicing some defensive tactics and having a plan to get OUT of harms' way; will serve you far better than possessing a lot of equipment. Your most important piece of gear is located between your ears, .....use it!

Now, for the record, I'm totally in favor of good people having the means to defend themselves and a gun is certainly a useful tool for that practice. However looking like Tackleberry from the Police Academy movies isn't going to increase your odds of survival.
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Old 02-23-2014, 04:19 PM   #26
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I don't carry a backup but I like this line from Unforgiven:

Fatty Rossiter: It was already loaded. Jesus, Clyde, you have three pistols and you only have one arm for Christ's sake.
Clyde: Well I just don't want to be killed for lack of shootin' back.
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Old 02-23-2014, 04:25 PM   #27
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Not to drift the thread too far but, Unforgiven is a great movie !
Of course having two guns didn't help English Bob very much............

And remember: Beware of the man with one gun, he probably knows how to use it!
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:09 PM   #28
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This is the opinions that make me think whether to carry a bug or not. I do agree with ostrichsak about false sense of security by why u live.
Just because someone doesn't live in the middle of Philly or on 8 mile which is bad territory. Doesn't mean something can not happen
If you feel the need to carry (which I do 24/7 regardless of where I am) then you should also feel the need to carry a BUG as your primary can fail at any time. The only thing worse than needing a gun and not having it is needing a gun, presenting it (read: showing your hand) and then having it not go bang. Good luck!
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:11 PM   #29
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Needing to use your primary weapon falls somewhere between getting hit by a random car and getting struck by lightning.

Needing to use a BUG if you're not LEO or military falls somewhere between getting struck by lightning...twice...and winning the powerball.
As long as there's a chance (no matter how slim) I'm not willing to risk my life on that gamble.
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:12 PM   #30
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Being aware of your surroundings, learning and practicing some defensive tactics and having a plan to get OUT of harms' way; will serve you far better than possessing a lot of equipment. Your most important piece of gear is located between your ears, .....use it!
This of course assumes that one simply can't do both. Not a very safe assumption.
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:15 PM   #31
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Not to drift the thread too far but, Unforgiven is a great movie !
Of course having two guns didn't help English Bob very much............

And remember: Beware of the man with one gun, he probably knows how to use it!
Well if it was in a movie then it MUST be a fact!

I used to say the same thing many years ago when I owned only one gun and what I've found is that I still know how to use it just fine but now I've got a better understanding of MANY firearms which will help me even more than owning a single firearm ever could have.
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:55 AM   #33
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[QUOTE=Ostrichsak;8250678]Well if it was in a movie then it MUST be a fact!

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I was joking about a movie reference, I assume you are as well.
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As long as there's a chance (no matter how slim) I'm not willing to risk my life on that gamble.
Large magazine capacity + spare mags > BUG, IMHO.
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Well if it was in a movie then it MUST be a fact!
I was joking about a movie reference, I assume you are as well.
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Large magazine capacity + spare mags > BUG, IMHO.
Two is one and one is none. If your firearm fails your extra mag doesn't do you too much good and this is why your statement isn't accurate. Nobody says you can't have a backup mag for your primary or your spare but if you have a situation where you need a gun you're going to need a gun and if your primary goes down for whatever reason you no longer have a gun regardless of how many mags you carry for your primary. If you decide that all you need is a single gun with a backup mag then that's fine but it's not better than having a BUG no matter how you slice it. For me, I throw an LCP in a pocket holster and into my front right pocket it goes. It pretty much disappears so for me it's not a big deal at all to have a BUG. If it's a big deal to you to have a BUG on your person then don't do it. No reason to justify it other than that point though let alone talk down to those who do. (not saying you specifically are)
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Two is one and one is none. If your firearm fails your extra mag doesn't do you too much good and this is why your statement isn't accurate. Nobody says you can't have a backup mag for your primary or your spare but if you have a situation where you need a gun you're going to need a gun and if your primary goes down for whatever reason you no longer have a gun regardless of how many mags you carry for your primary. If you decide that all you need is a single gun with a backup mag then that's fine but it's not better than having a BUG no matter how you slice it. For me, I throw an LCP in a pocket holster and into my front right pocket it goes. It pretty much disappears so for me it's not a big deal at all to have a BUG. If it's a big deal to you to have a BUG on your person then don't do it. No reason to justify it other than that point though let alone talk down to those who do. (not saying you specifically are)
Fair enough. BUG's just don't fit in the risk/cost analysis for me, but everyone has different situations.
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Ostrichsak. Never thought I would agree so close to a glock fan
But I have the same POV. I mean it takes a split second for a jam to occur. And if its a jam I can't clear with raking the slide. Becuz of a broken extractor or some faulty ammo with a shell stuck in the camber cuz it buldges. (Which I seen worse than a jam from faulty ammo). Than that could be a chance of losing ur life.
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Ostrichsak. Never thought I would agree so close to a glock fan
But I have the same POV. I mean it takes a split second for a jam to occur. And if its a jam I can't clear with raking the slide. Becuz of a broken extractor or some faulty ammo with a shell stuck in the camber cuz it buldges. (Which I seen worse than a jam from faulty ammo). Than that could be a chance of losing ur life.
Then carry a revolver.
My trail carry is and always has been revos.
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Then carry a revolver.
My trail carry is and always has been revos.
Too wide, low capacity and despite what all the old fogies try to tell you they can and do fail just like Macs aren't immune to viruses & spyware.
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