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Old 03-04-2014, 11:19 AM   #21
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what makes a shotgun tactical is my question.. vs just a shotgun.
Earlier when I said I own several 'tactical shotguns' I almost put it in quotes (like I did here) as I too feel it's a loose term but know what the OP meant and also feel as though it's an easier to visualize what a tactical shotgun is than an assault rifle.

Most 'tactical shotguns' have higher capacity capability, rails for accessories, shorter barrels for easier maneuverability, etc. To most who grew up in the country (myself included) a shotgun isn't what you will see in a thread like this. They're generally wood furniture with lower capacity (legal for hunting) and longer barrels with chokes adjusted for various game. A tactical shotgun doesn't make a very good goose/duck gun. I get the designation difference.
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Earlier when I said I own several 'tactical shotguns' I almost put it in quotes (like I did here) as I too feel it's a loose term but know what the OP meant and also feel as though it's an easier to visualize what a tactical shotgun is than an assault rifle.

Most 'tactical shotguns' have higher capacity capability, rails for accessories, shorter barrels for easier maneuverability, etc. To most who grew up in the country (myself included) a shotgun isn't what you will see in a thread like this. They're generally wood furniture with lower capacity (legal for hunting) and longer barrels with chokes adjusted for various game. A tactical shotgun doesn't make a very good goose/duck gun. I get the designation difference.

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so basically a loose definition.. thats what I thought.
then I guess I have both. although personally I like others wouldnt use a shotgun for my primary HD.

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My bedside gtg are a 12ga. Mossy 500 8rd. Persuader 20in.barrel full stock and a HK usp compact .45 but feel like I need more courage to use them if I need to.
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Yea I keep my moss 500 8rd by the bed. I've got the black hawk furniture on it. Best for my situation cause bird shot won't over penetrate the walls and put my daughter at risk.

My second gun is my RIA compact 1911. But its my backup
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Old 03-05-2014, 09:16 AM   #27
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Yea I keep my moss 500 8rd by the bed. I've got the black hawk furniture on it. Best for my situation cause bird shot won't over penetrate the walls and put my daughter at risk.

My second gun is my RIA compact 1911. But its my backup
I know it's only a matter of time before I hear something like this in a HD shotgun conversation. You ever place some sheets of drywall back to back to back and test that yourself? After all, your daughter's life is at stake. That stated, even if I lived in the sticks by myself and had no concerns of over-penetration I still would NOT choose birdshot as a SD round. Ever.

BTW, with this response we're starting to get into why my shotguns would be the last go-to weapons for HD/SD. There are FAR better options with everything taken into account. The urban legend of the HD shotgun run wild.
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I know it's only a matter of time before I hear something like this in a HD shotgun conversation. You ever place some sheets of drywall back to back to back and test that yourself? After all, your daughter's life is at stake. That stated, even if I lived in the sticks by myself and had no concerns of over-penetration I still would NOT choose birdshot as a SD round. Ever.

BTW, with this response we're starting to get into why my shotguns would be the last go-to weapons for HD/SD. There are FAR better options with everything taken into account. The urban legend of the HD shotgun run wild.

I do agree with a lot if what you are saying.

I do not understand using bird shot as a HD round. I but the HD rounds that have 3 00buck and a slug in it. So it isn't as bad as if I was to just unload bird shot in my house.
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:06 PM   #29
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Some people seem to think that birdshot in a 12ga is fool proof and completely offsets the #4 rule of firearm safety: Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

Don't even get me started on the next urban legend that you don't even have to aim a shotgun because it's a magic boom stick that neutralizes threats so long as it's out of the safe and horizontal when you pull the trigger.
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Remington 870 tactical for me. I also keep an AR beside of it though. Depends on situation.
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:36 PM   #32
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Remington 870 tactical for me. I also keep an AR beside of it though. Depends on situation.
Help me understand a situation in which a less maneuverable, louder, substantially higher recoil, more wall over-penetration, less capacity and less ability to customize to your needs would be preferred in a HD situation.
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I definitely would pick a 12 Ga over an AR for a defensive setup (and do). What's great is that this isn't arfcom so I feel absolutely zero need to defend my choice to anyone.
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:07 PM   #34
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Never mind. Not worth it. I'm sure my years of first hand experience and testing will just be called impossible or I'll just be chastised as trying to force my ideas on others regardless of facts just because they fly in the face of internet opinion. Enjoy your shotgun.
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I don't think there's any reason to get angered by any of this. There are a lot of misconceptions about the different types of guns and their use in home defense. Not everyone wants to be educated, or wants to believe that person they trust could be wrong. When they want to, they'll get training, or ask for proper advise, and then get training.

The short and skinny though is... any gun is good for home defense. As long as you know how to use it properly, in any given scenario, in and around your home. Know your chosen firearms's strengths and weaknesses, and how to workaround them safety and effectively.

Specifically to shotguns though.... Pump's require extra training and practice for use under stress, and have much more recoil than a semi-auto. Shotguns are loud, and will probably stun the crap out of you the first time you fire one indoors without ear protection. Long guns are very cumbersome to manipulate indoors, even the 16" and 18" variety.

But they can be used effectively, and may even be the best choice for you. Cost is an issue, but if you insist on a shotgun I would only recommend the semi-auto variety. They are very reliable today, require less manipulation, and have much less recoil. That said I have a 18" Mossberg 88 as my 2nd go to in the house, hehe.
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Earlier when I said I own several 'tactical shotguns' I almost put it in quotes (like I did here) as I too feel it's a loose term but know what the OP meant and also feel as though it's an easier to visualize what a tactical shotgun is than an assault rifle.

Most 'tactical shotguns' have higher capacity capability, rails for accessories, shorter barrels for easier maneuverability, etc. To most who grew up in the country (myself included) a shotgun isn't what you will see in a thread like this. They're generally wood furniture with lower capacity (legal for hunting) and longer barrels with chokes adjusted for various game. A tactical shotgun doesn't make a very good goose/duck gun. I get the designation difference.
Oregon is like this too. Super lame.

Also, if you put a lot of rounds down range, a pistol grip on a shotgun is a terrible idea.
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Right now I have a Mossberg 500 with adjustable stock, pulled the wooden dowel out of the mag so it holds 5+1. Ordered a 18.5" barrel over the weekend. I keep that next to my nightstand and my Glock 17 9mm on my nightstand. Also have an alarm and a 110lb lab, so if intruders ignore the alarm and get past the dog then I'll grab the 12g and leave the 9mm for the wife - easier for her to shoot.
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Not tactical but an amazing shotgun. Replica WWII trench gun......and to anyone that know anything. About these guns the answer is yes I also have the bayonet for it too

This isn't my first go to in a home invasion. it would be my second. First thing I would reach for is my xd tactical 45. It setup with a light and laser. And I'm well trained with it so I'm gonna grab it first cuz the function of the gun is familer and set into my brain. Its just instinct working that pistol
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This is the xd if anyone was curious.
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