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Old 02-02-2010, 10:53 AM   #22
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Why does the UN care if we own guns? It’s not like Americans are going to other country and blowing people away. It’s the US military that they need to worry about.
 
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The Source is the State Department

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This is just a bunch of crap, I would like to know the exact source of this information. I am pretty much A-Political when it comes to some things but there is one thing that I do know. I still have the right to bear arms under the Constitution of the United States. Under the Constitution of the United States any change to the constitution must be ratified by each state in the union to become effective.

I just checked this with the NRA and there is nothing on their site that says anything about this. When it comes to my gun ownership rights I will always refer to the NRA for information.
The source is the State Department, regardless of there 'official' UN dealings, this is what they want:

U.S. Support for the Arms Trade Treaty

Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
Washington, DC
October 14, 2009

Conventional arms transfers are a crucial national security concern for the United States, and we have always supported effective action to control the international transfer of arms.

The United States is prepared to work hard for a strong international standard in this area by seizing the opportunity presented by the Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty at the United Nations. As long as that Conference operates under the rule of consensus decision-making needed to ensure that all countries can be held to standards that will actually improve the global situation by denying arms to those who would abuse them, the United States will actively support the negotiations. Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly.

On a national basis, the United States has in place an extensive and rigorous system of controls that most agree is the “gold standard” of export controls for arms transfers. On a bilateral basis, the United States regularly engages other states to raise their standards and to prohibit the transfer or transshipment of capabilities to rogue states, terrorist groups, and groups seeking to unsettle regions. Multilaterally, we have consistently supported high international standards, and the Arms Trade Treaty initiative presents us with the opportunity to promote the same high standards for the entire international community that the United States and other responsible arms exporters already have in place to ensure that weaponry is transferred for legitimate purposes.

The United States is committed to actively pursuing a strong and robust treaty that contains the highest possible, legally binding standards for the international transfer of conventional weapons. We look forward to this negotiation as the continuation of the process that began in the UN with the 2008 UN Group of Governmental Experts on the ATT and continued with the 2009 UN Open-Ended Working Group on ATT.


PRN: 2009/1022

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2009a/10/130573.htm
 
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From my cold dead hands.
Amen brother. No way anyone is taking my guns away unless they want to go out in a blaze of glory (queue Bon Jovi heh). It would be one hell of a bloody mess if the govt ever tried to take people guns away from them.
 
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Dude it has to do with the import and export of weapons to and from other countries. You origianly posted that they were going to make us turn our arms in. You really need to read the whole thing before you blast something. Of course this is from the State Department they are the ones that control the export and sales of US made weapons to foriegn countries. It has nothing to do with the UN and taking our weapons.

Sorry to blast your information but you reall need to read it first. Just a suggestion..
 
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Im not worried about it yet. But if the day comes and they try to take my guns I feel sorry for the people doing it. Im taking as many of them with me as I can and they can come pry it from my dead hands after they kill me.
 
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your supposed to be reading the post silly!

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U.S. agrees to timetable for UN Gun Ban


The United Nations and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are moving forward with their plan to confiscate your guns.

The United States joined 152 other countries in support of the Arms Trade Treaty Resolution, which establishes the dates for the 2012 UN conference intended to attack American sovereignty by stripping Americans of the right to keep and bear arms.

Working groups of anti-gun countries will begin scripting language for the conference this year, creating a blueprint for other countries when they meet at the full conference.

The stakes couldn’t be higher.

Former United Nation’s ambassador John Bolton has cautioned gun owners about the Arms Trade Treaty and says the UN “is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there’s no doubt that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control.”
I did read it, but thanks for suggesting that I'm a complete imbecile! I'll eventually live up to it!

What we're reading differently is what's between the lines. Even the Former UN Ambassador, you claim to believe over the State Dept in such matters, doesn't trust this Treaty, so why should I?

Besides, I think we need to go along with the UN on anything, like we need another hole in our head...
 
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A blog post with no citations?




As for the link posted earlier, read it.
"On a national basis, the United States has in place an extensive and rigorous system of controls that most agree is the “gold standard” of export controls for arms transfers."

Has to do with exporting guns, not taking them from citizens. Calm down and have a beer.
 
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Hey, isn't this kind of political anyway?
 
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Hey, isn't this kind of political anyway?
i was just thinking that actually

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i was just thinking that actually

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