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Old 04-15-2008, 06:52 AM   #21
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Don't get a Keltec!

I had one and the guide rod snapped. It was made of plastic!
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:00 AM   #22
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I agree that Kel-Tecs simply aren't as high quality as I'd like them to be.

However, guide rods being plastic aren't necessarily a design flaw. Many guns these days have plastic guide rods (Glocks being chief among them) that cause absolutely no problems.
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I agree that Kel-Tecs simply aren't as high quality as I'd like them to be.

However, guide rods being plastic aren't necessarily a design flaw. Many guns these days have plastic guide rods (Glocks being chief among them) that cause absolutely no problems.
The Glocks are not plastic. I forget what material the rod is made of but it's much stronger than plastic.
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I can't find anything that definitively says if it's plastic or some other "composite" material; however, there certainly are a lot of after-market steel (and other types of metal) guide rods available that claim the stock Glock guide rods are plastic. Additionally, mine definitely feels like it's plastic.

I do know one thing for sure, the guide rod is not metal (or at the very least is covered in some type of composite if there is a metal core to it).
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Old 04-15-2008, 10:36 AM   #25
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From what I understand, it was either Kahr or Para (Auto)-Ordnance that bought the other. I know that when I bought my 1911A1 it came with the Auto Ordnance engraving in the grips, but the owners manual and case say kahr.

I would say that my single stack 1911A1 is extremley reliable! From how much of that is based off of Kahr or the fact that its the most reliable design for an auto ever built im not sure. I have something around 500 rounds threw mine and have had to stove tops (both of which where with crappy cheap ammo, and during the first two hundred rounds which are considered part of the break in period).

I have been very satisfied with it.


I also think it was Kahr that built the tommy gun right?

www.tommygun.com

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Thanks for all your opinions.

Thinkingman - I agree about double stacks. I love Glocks, but for me, they're too thick for CC.
Glock 36, 6+1 of 45 acp., 3.8" barrel, single stack. Dealer $532 with NS's.
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Old 04-15-2008, 02:17 PM   #27
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Yeah, I shot a 36 when they first came out.
Recoil is, um, noticeable.
Also, the pinky finger mag extension was a torture device where it meets the grip.
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Old 04-15-2008, 03:15 PM   #28
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Yeah, I shot a 36 when they first came out.
Recoil is, um, noticeable.
Also, the pinky finger mag extension was a torture device where it meets the grip.
I also shot one when they came out...friend of mine got one...I didn't notice the recoil so much as the fact that for a single stack, it's still over 1 1/10 inches wide and 6 3/4 inches long. The Kahrs, Kel-Tecs, etc. are at most 0.90 inch wide and usually less than 5 inches long.

The double stack G30 (for example) is 1.27 inches wide. For losing 3-4 rounds, you gain 0.10 of an inch of width and nothing in terms of length or height?

The G36 is still a big gun in my book.
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Old 04-15-2008, 08:52 PM   #29
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I also shot one when they came out...friend of mine got one...I didn't notice the recoil so much as the fact that for a single stack, it's still over 1 1/10 inches wide and 6 3/4 inches long. The Kahrs, Kel-Tecs, etc. are at most 0.90 inch wide and usually less than 5 inches long.

The double stack G30 (for example) is 1.27 inches wide. For losing 3-4 rounds, you gain 0.10 of an inch of width and nothing in terms of length or height?

The G36 is still a big gun in my book.
Just a few pictures of different 9mm pistols. The Glock 19 (right) with 16 rnds. is approx. 1/16" wider than the 8 rnd. Kahr K9 (left). The Sig 239 (center), 9 rnd, is the tallest and the Glock is only .13" taller than the Kahr. They are pretty much the same weight loaded. They are all high quality and reliable. Kinda like the saying, close enough for horseshoes, in my book.


I know the original question was for the polymer Kahr which would be somewhat lighter. The Sig is the only one of the three with repeat primer strike by trigger alone. The Kahr and Glock would have to be racked to reactivate the action in case of misfire.
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I see what you're saying with the side by side.

Are the polymer Kahr's dimensions the same as the steel one?
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I can't speak for external dimensions but for CC, 16 rds of 9mm weighs alot more than 6 down and one in the pipe(Kahr). The weight of the Kahr polymer framed gun is very appealing for carry.
Everything is a compromise.
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I see what you're saying with the side by side.

Are the polymer Kahr's dimensions the same as the steel one?
Seem to be pretty close. Weight is 8oz difference between the P9 and K9 with empty mag. and you would notice that at the end of the day. Here's the link to Kahr comparing theirs to the Glock 26. Kahr has metal mags so weight wouldn't be that different. I like the grip angle of the Kahr better myself. Everyone's different.


http://www.kahr.com/dtlcomp_kp9093.html
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I can't speak for external dimensions but for CC, 16 rds of 9mm weighs alot more than 6 down and one in the pipe(Kahr). The weight of the Kahr polymer framed gun is very appealing for carry.
Everything is a compromise.
My Kahr is the all steel version. The polymer P9, 17 oz, would be 8 oz lighter than the K9, 25 oz, and the Glock 19 in the picture is 21 oz empty. Only difference in my guns is what 8 rnds more capacity of 9mm in the Glock weighs? The Sig is a light aluminum framed pistol as well. Kinda like horseshoes.
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I see what you mean. I agree that the 8oz., you'll probably notice at the end of the day.

Also, I like the grip angle of the Kahrs as well better than the angle of the Glocks. My hands are big (so the Glock's actual grip fits my hand better), but the angle is what gets me.

Like I said, I think I need to find somebody I know that has one and go shoot it to see for myself how I like how it handles and then just decide.

I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't anybody that was like, "DON'T BUY A KAHR" or something like that.
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I've got the Kahr CW9 and the first 100 rounds went through with absolutely no problems. It fits my hands perfectly but I'm 5'4". My 6'1" friend found it a bit small for him but could carry it in the front pocket with absolutely no print.
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From what I understand, it was either Kahr or Para (Auto)-Ordnance that bought the other. I know that when I bought my 1911A1 it came with the Auto Ordnance engraving in the grips, but the owners manual and case say kahr.


I would say that my single stack 1911A1 is extremley reliable! From how much of that is based off of Kahr or the fact that its the most reliable design for an auto ever built im not sure. I have something around 500 rounds threw mine and have had to stove tops (both of which where with crappy cheap ammo, and during the first two hundred rounds which are considered part of the break in period).

I have been very satisfied with it.

The 1911 is a no brainer. Someone may want to list the makers. It is a long one.


I also think it was Kahr that built the tommy gun right?

www.tommygun.com

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http://www.tommygun.com/ao_pricing_pi_f.html
Auto Ordnance built most Thompsons from the Mod. 21 to the Mod. 28.
The M1 had other contractors.
Kahr has never made one, to my knowledge.
I have never read a review of a Kahr that did not go back. When returned, they worked.
I stand corrected. That is one odd hybred Tommy gun. It has the `21 actuating knob and an M1 fore end with no Cutts Compensator.
It will never be worth anything.
Interesting link. They mean 45 ACP, not AS. Not well done.
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