would you give up your guns?

Someone kicks down my door at 4am is considered unwanted, uninvited and subject to immediate perforation courtesy of S&W.

 

free body piercing

 

Honestly, this was not direct at you personally. However I do believe that the majority of people are ignorant to our countrys history and what everyday men/woman had to do for the said freedoms we enjoy everyday. I do respect your opinion and its clear that it is made with sound judgement.

 

LOL, I have a t-shirt that says "Free body piercing" courtesy of S&W.
I dont wear though, kinda red-necky. Wel maybe once in a while....

 

well you do live in Hoschton....

 

I would rock that in Dallas.

 

I agree. I think most people have a poor understanding of history and the social sciences more generally. I don't remember the publication, but a recent study found that social sciences, not math or natural science, was one of the weakest subjects among American high school students. Unfortunately, people who lack an understanding of history, government, and economics are not well positioned to make informed decisions that reflect either their own interests or their ideological convictions (not always the same thing).

I think my point was not that you are wrong about pervasive ignorance, but rather I prefer to engage people I suspect of poor judgement in a dialogue. I don't expect people to adopt my views, but I hope that by challenging their convictions, and asking them to specify where they disagree with mine, that all of our views are made stronger and more robust by running them through the gauntlet of debate.

If someone told me they think I have a weakness in my argument at points A, B, and C, I am obligated to formulate an answer. But If someone says I am and ignorant sheep, then I have no impetus to come up with a better argument for my position.

For the record, I had no hard feelings and I hope you do not either. I am not offended by what you said, I was just frustrated because I can't debate the point that some people think I may be ignorant (sometimes they are right). I think the only counter argument to that is:

"am not"

 

All is well.

 

You know where Hoschton is? My little town only has 1 red light. If you blink you miss it!

 

no actually i dont why is why i made the comment lol i live about an hour south of savannah in brunswick

 

wow, 23 pages already

 

Taking away someones firearm with without reason, such as misuse, is equivalent to (at best) treating them like a child, or (at worst) treating them like an animal. It's no way to treat a citizen.

 

Interesting perspective. The older I get, the more I believe owning defensive firearms is essential. As I explained to some good friends who asked why I had a carry permit..."I'm too small to fight, and too old to run"

 

Once they get them you'll never get them back.... "politicians prefer unarmed,uneducated and uninformed peasants"

 

So Im a pretty big democrat. When it comes to my guns, its simple as Americans it is our right to own guns. So im keeping mine lol.

 

I got tired of reading the same thing over and over so maybe I’m repeating some thing. Guns don’t kill people; people do, usually except for accidents. But when the amendment was written we did not have any thing other then single shot weapons times change the amendment did not now we have extremely dangerous fire arms, a better weapon and in the hands of some one out to kill there are going to be a lot of dead people. No one “needs” an automatic weapon to protect his/her house a shotgun is far more effective nor do they need it to go hunting. If officer friendly comes to your house and knocks on the door for reasons unknown most likely has nothing to do with your guns (unless you are a known felon) and you stand there with your AK47 officer friendly is going to think this is going down hill fast and will tell you to drop your weapon about the time you start to say ”out of cold dead hands “ one of two things is going to happen either you will be shot by officer friendly or his partner and this will be considered use of deadly force. Cops are not trained to shot you in the hand. If you are lucky they will taze you and haul your ass to jail instead of the morgue and charge you with all kinds of unpleasant things. It’s not real nice out there and a cop never knows, their training did not include mind reading. Responsible use of fire arms is fine keeping one in the house is fine but be damn certain what you are aiming at and don’t be so damn cocky about “your rights” it could get you dead.

 

it doesnt matter what they need govt is not allowed to infringe on the right period end of story...the constitution's 2nd amendment doesnt give anyone anything it only restrains govt....

 

What about when the police become an arm of a totalitarian government? In this case death caused from a bullet from a police officer's gun while I clutch my AK will be a hero's death and in my eyes no different from getting shot in Afghanistan. Well different in that I died defending my own rights instead of someone else who could care less for our brand of freedom. Where would Lybia be if all those guys had single shot shotguns, probably still sucking Gaddafi's boot heel. These are law abiding citizens that are in this picture. Scotch tape= $2.00, Black Suit Jacket= $40.00, Used AK47 $200, Freedom= Priceless


You think you can defend your home with single shot shotguns? How about when the person who robs your house is armed with an AK47 because they didn't get the same memo that you got that deemed automatic weapons are unnecessary? Here is an example of this in Australia where gun control on assault weapons is alive and well. I guess this crook didn't hear that those weapons were illegal now did he.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/amelia-wade/news/article.cfm?a_id=693&objectid=10741058

Or if you live in Texas, lets see you fight Mexican Cartel drug runners with your single shot shotgun when all that stands between them and a 2 million dollar payday is you and your family, because they need your house to hide from Border Patrol Agents. Those guys would probably LOVE to see some form of sweeping gun control enacted in this country.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-stat...ghuman-smugglers-1411-pleas/question-1424257/

Maybe some of yall on both sides of the issue should read the Sheepdog Concept and learn to respect eachother's rights and stop dictating what is good for everyone. This is VERY important literature for all people on both sides of the issue and it may provide insight on your opponents and insight to yourself.
http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/on-sheep-wolves-and-sheepdogs-by-dave-grossman/

Sure if you live in suburban Connecticut and the burgler is most likely your neighbor's kid, maybe a single shot shotgun is good enough, but for the Rancher in Texas who lives on the border and has enough property that it takes 20 minutes to get from the road to his front door, he might need something with a little more bark than a quail gun.

 

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