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Packman73 01-23-2010 08:59 PM

Guns decrease murder rates

More guns in law-abiding hands mean less crime. The District of Columbia proves the point.

Reading most press accounts, one would be forgiven for thinking Armageddon had arrived after the Supreme Court struck down the District's handgun ban in 2008. Predictions sprung forth from all directions that allowing more citizens to own guns and not forcing them to keep them locked up was going to threaten public safety. According to D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty, more guns in homes would cause more violent crime.
This has never been the case. Local politicians enthusiastically embraced the 1977 handgun ban predicting it would make Washington a safe place by dramatically reducing murder rates. But they were as wrong three decades ago as they are now.

A telling story is illustrated by the murder numbers since the handgun ban and gun-lock bans were struck down. Between 2008 and 2009, the FBI's preliminary numbers indicate that murders fell nationally by 10 percent and by about 8 percent in cities that have between 500,000 and 999,999 people. Washington's population is about 590,000. During that same period of time, murders in the District fell by an astounding 25 percent, dropping from 186 to 140. The city only started allowing its citizens to own handguns for defense again in late 2008.

Few who lived in Washington during the 1970s can forget the upswing in crime that started right after the ban was originally passed. In the five years before the 1977 ban, the murder rate fell from 37 to 27 murders per 100,000. In the five years after the gun ban went into effect, the murder rate rose back up to 35. One fact is particularly hard to ignore: D.C.'s murder rate fluctuated after 1976 but only once fell below what it was in 1976 before the ban. That aberration happened years later, in 1985.
This correlation between the D.C. gun ban and diminished safety was not a coincidence. Look at the Windy City. Immediately after Chicago banned handguns in 1982, the murder rate, which had been falling almost continually for a decade, started to rise. Chicago's murder rate rose relative to other large cities as well. The phenomenon of higher murder rates after gun bans are passed is not just limited to the United States. Every single time a country has passed a gun ban, its murder rate soared.
The choice Americans face isn't between freedom or safety. Washington's experience with gun bans shows once again that Americans will either be free and safe or unfree and unsafe. Letting people protect themselves is the responsible approach. It's important the Supreme Court remember these facts in March when it hears the case over Chicago's handgun ban.
Feel free to discuss.:)

Brunes 01-23-2010 09:03 PM

Does IBTL count as discussion??

chris4x4 01-23-2010 09:04 PM

Guns DO in fact decrease murder rates.

topgun155 01-23-2010 09:05 PM


chris4x4 01-23-2010 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by Brunes (Post 1350606)
Does IBTL count as discussion??

What caliber is an IBTL?

jandrews 01-23-2010 09:06 PM


But I've never seen the point in trying to legislate gun ownership to prevent crime. Criminals, by definition, do not abide laws, so legislating rules regarding which objects they can posess is a self-producing punchline?

However, it must be pointed out that this article is a horrible analysis. At no point does it note that people purchased and carried more firearms. It just points out a correlation between the expiration of a gun ban and a drop in crime rates.

Which, honestly, when viewed from a scientific/statistical standpoint doesn't mean a thing.

But I'm still pro 2nd amendment.

1337Taco 01-23-2010 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by chris4x4 (Post 1350617)
What caliber is an IBTL?

Enough to blow up a thread..

Brunes 01-23-2010 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by chris4x4 (Post 1350617)
What caliber is an IBTL?

Pretty much comes in whatever you want. Just a simple barrel swap really.

chris4x4 01-23-2010 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by Brunes (Post 1350632)
Pretty much comes in whatever you want. Just a simple barrel swap really.

Nice. I may have to get one.....

Snipe 01-23-2010 09:13 PM

Pick up a set of aftermarket grips, the stock ones suck

BigBawlzTaco 01-23-2010 09:16 PM


topgun155 01-23-2010 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by BigBawlzTaco (Post 1350667)
I never liked obama..

Seriously. What do you not understand.

kiddwvman 01-23-2010 09:21 PM

:woot: :infantry: :bananadead:

ColdZeroBSP 01-23-2010 09:21 PM

I did my college thesis on this. My prof was a hardcore lesbian liberal democrat too and I still managed to pull of an A. I've read hundreds of reports about criminal mentality when it comes to possession of guns by civilians. The number one thing criminals fear is an armed citizen who knows how to use their weapon, not the police. Police take minutes to arrive on scene, a gun barrel staring you in the face is there now. Convicted felons in jurisdictions where gun laws were more restrictive said they were more willing to commit a home invasion robbery. Cities where CCW's were "shall issue" had substantially lower violent crime rates than cities of similar populations with "may" or limited issue permits. Sorry anti-gunners but you lose on this issue.

Tsenekos 01-23-2010 09:25 PM

"My prof was a hardcore lesbian liberal" post some pics:D

BigBawlzTaco 01-23-2010 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by wolfpack_5150 (Post 1350678)
I hope u keep it up and ban yourself.

Edited it, im sorry.

jandrews 01-23-2010 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by Tsenekos (Post 1350713)
"My prof was a hardcore lesbian liberal" post some pics:D

Real life lesbians are nothing like what you've seen in internet porn. You've been warned.

Picture this:


Tongueing this:


BigBawlzTaco 01-23-2010 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by jandrews (Post 1350741)


kiddwvman 01-23-2010 09:35 PM


Tsenekos 01-23-2010 09:36 PM


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