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HomerTaco 11-07-2011 07:49 PM

HomerTaco's Satoshi 101
 
It's time I put together all the terms & information in one thread. I get these questions over and over so from now on I'll direct folks here who may have questions on the mod.

First off what is "satoshi"???

If you look it up on Wikipedia you get this simple answer: is a masculine Japanese given name.

We on TacomaWorld refer to a satoshi as a custom modified grill that looks like this:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveUjPONJ.jpg

I'm not sure where or when the name was coined for this grill modification, all I know is the first one I saw in person was on a 05' Double Cab that belongs to a former TW Member "Secret Squirrel".
Apparently he was one of the first people to do this mod & it originated elsewhere.

There are many threads posting "how-to's" on different ways to achieve the "Satoshi" look. This thread will concentrate on the terms I use to describe the parts & process.

I am not ready to create a "how-to" of my own process. This thread will serve simply as a reference point to members who want to know more about the mod.

First lets discuss the actual 2nd Gen Grill.
There are two parts to all grills from 2005 to 2011. (2012 is a different design)
The outer surround:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...live70vied.jpg

And the inner surround:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveVg7zJH.jpg

The examples shown are aftermarket replacement grills. The OEM grill is plastic welded together.
(It can be separated & re-attached though - see this thread http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tec...en-grille.html )

The back of the outer surround has plastic "tabs" that get plastic welded to the inner surround & hold the two together:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveIeJWMY.jpg

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Now in order to achieve the "satoshi" look, one must remove the center part of the inner surround...

The result of removing that part leaves you with this:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveSsl2M4.jpg

The part that make many people bug out of doing this mod is the body work required to fill in these holes that are left after removing the center of the grill.

There are methods of using Bondo, epoxy, and/or plastic to achieve this.

The end result being an inner surround that looks like this:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveYPks0a.jpg

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Once you have completed all of this the next part of the process is to fill in this open space with mesh. (I have several that I sell here but it is also available online from other vendors)

There are also many methods for securing the mesh to the inner surround. Most of these also involve epoxy in some form or another.

Here process that I use to secure the mesh. It is simple, quick, and very secure.

For those that decide to open the two triangle pieces:

The holes are drilled with a 1/8 bit
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveFF6Z6L.jpg

For the top of the triangle another hole in the little plastic "bridge" support:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveCxEYBD.jpg

For the main section of the grill you can drill holes in a few strategic locations that will allow you to securely fasten the mesh:

These I did with a 1/4" bit.

The sides:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...livewejKpq.jpg

The bottom:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveJNtfWP.jpg

The top:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveof5dfP.jpg
This does not require drilling - you can just loop the zip-tie around the factory supports to secure the mesh.

Here is a picture of some M1 mesh mounted using this method:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveC8WUYs.jpg

I have lost count of how many grills I have made, but here are a few more examples of variations on the theme:

A "thin-lip" satoshi, where instead of the mesh being recessed a full 2 1/2" from the front of the grill, it is set back only 3/4".

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveYuSP66.jpg

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveIMKSpo.jpg

A "reduced-depth" satoshi where the recess is set at 1 1/2" from the front lip:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveGlNodK.jpg
(thanks OZ-T)

A "Homeroshi" Grill where the plastic cut outs on the sides are not filled in, but instead mesh is shaped to the new contour of the inner surround:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/data/500/HomerG.JPG
(thanks rcbs204)

A flush mount mesh grill where a thinner gauge mesh is "sandwiched" between the inner & outer surrounds creating a look similar to a GrillCraft insert:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...livejfkBGx.jpg

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveuvTWLC.jpg

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...lived8U5wD.jpg

A Custom cut out of the recessed sides to accommodate custom mesh design:

(My signature "TRD" Grill):o

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveCiEt6s.jpg

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveT9PJOP.jpg

Thank you for looking! I'll post more info here if there is a need.

~ Craig

ImpulseRed008 11-07-2011 07:56 PM

Satoshi is the name of the inventor of this type of grill :cool:

http://satoshigrill.blogspot.com/

Blue 11-07-2011 07:58 PM

Nice thread :thumbsup:

HomerTaco 11-07-2011 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImpulseRed008 (Post 3994485)
Satoshi is the name of the inventor of this type of grill :cool:

Thank you Susan. I should shake his hand....
http://images.wikia.com/logopedia/im...e_you_know.jpg

HomerTaco 11-08-2011 12:25 PM

Added hotlink to OP... Thanks Marcel!

HomerTaco 11-18-2012 06:53 PM

By request here are the locations I drill holes to attach mesh for the thin lip application:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveYPd7p5.jpg

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveQpAp4X.jpg

This is shown from the front side with the outer surround not attached yet.

Bengland25 11-18-2012 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerTaco (Post 6012299)
By request here are the locations I drill holes to attach mesh for the thin lip application:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveYPd7p5.jpg

http://www.tacomaworld.com/gallery/d...liveQpAp4X.jpg

This is shown from the front side with the outer surround not attached yet.

Thank you very much good sir!

Bengland25 01-06-2013 09:10 PM

Hey buddy, where are the holes drilled for attachment on the thin lips? Both triangles and mesh? Not a whole lot of room to work with..

HomerTaco 01-06-2013 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengland25 (Post 6235371)
Hey buddy, where are the holes drilled for attachment on the thin lips? Both triangles and mesh? Not a whole lot of room to work with..

Look up at post #6

Those are the exact locations I use.

Bengland25 01-12-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerTaco (Post 6235389)
Look up at post #6

Those are the exact locations I use.

I apologize for that. Was tired when I sent that post haha finishing it up today!! I'll post some picturs for you shortly after :)

Greenbergler 04-25-2013 05:17 PM

So you just use zip ties to attatch the mesh?

Large 04-25-2013 05:24 PM

I might need a satoshi for my F150..

HomerTaco 04-25-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenbergler (Post 6798643)
So you just use zip ties to attatch the mesh?

Yes. I had the same Satoshi on my truck for like two years with zero issues using that method.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Large (Post 6798683)
I might need a satoshi for my F150..

Can't really help you there. :o

Greenbergler 04-25-2013 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerTaco (Post 6799490)
Yes. I had the same Satoshi on my truck for like two years with zero issues using that method.


Can't really help you there. :o

Cool! Thanks! :thumbsup:

mo13 12-09-2013 10:54 PM

Is there any help you can give me as to where exactly to cut the grill to make a thin lip satoshi? Is Ive been trying to figure it out and all I can think of is tape the inside and measure about 1.5" from the back and drawing a line and cutting and hoping it works.

amaes 12-09-2013 11:05 PM

Why don't you at least use Stainless Steel Zip ties for mounting the mesh? When I used to build them I used L-brackets that I fiberglassed into the back of the grille and riveted the mesh to them. I have gotten to see a few of yours in person including a high end Raptor style and you do nice work Homer. Just wondering why cheap out on how the mesh is held?

None the less nice write up and you have a huge waiting list so its working. :thumbsup:

HomerTaco 12-10-2013 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mo13 (Post 7833344)
Is there any help you can give me as to where exactly to cut the grill to make a thin lip satoshi? Is Ive been trying to figure it out and all I can think of is tape the inside and measure about 1.5" from the back and drawing a line and cutting and hoping it works.

Measure in from the front lip of the grill 5/8" or so and cut all the way around.
Simple as that. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by amaes (Post 7833373)
Why don't you at least use Stainless Steel Zip ties for mounting the mesh? When I used to build them I used L-brackets that I fiberglassed into the back of the grille and riveted the mesh to them. I have gotten to see a few of yours in person including a high end Raptor style and you do nice work Homer. Just wondering why cheap out on how the mesh is held?

None the less nice write up and you have a huge waiting list so its working. :thumbsup:

The reason is simple:
My first grill I made I used the standard zip ties. It stayed on my truck for years with zero issues of holding on.
It's not "cheaping out" on how it is fastened - it works well and they are readily available for everyone

You've got to keep in mind that we are attaching two very different materials together here - plastic and metal. I have always erred on the side of caution and have used a fastener that will allow for natural expansion and contraction due to temperature changes.

mo13 12-10-2013 11:57 AM

Thanks alot man

joshuarubin09 12-18-2013 01:05 PM

What are other ways ppl attach the grill that work also? I'm about to do this mod this week and was wondering what other options there were?

tribum 12-31-2013 10:38 PM

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