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Old 11-21-2012, 02:47 PM   #41
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I'm joggin in the bike lane tomorrow morning just for you Ben
Haha, do it! You will feel much better about yourself

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Unfortunately in Oregon a pedestrian always has the right-of-way so there isn't shit you can do about it. I agree it's annoying and I hate it.
I also found out that Washington is the "#1 Bike Friendly State" in the US.

Now we have a bunch of stoned liberals getting married on their hip double-decker bicycles. woo-hoo

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There is no such thing as riding the "wrong" way on a sidewalk.
Riding on the sidewalk is illegal and unsafe in the first place.

Riding the wrong way just compounds the problem for drivers making turns.
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Riding on the sidewalk is illegal and unsafe in the first place.

Riding the wrong way just compounds the problem for drivers making turns.
Sorry, I was talking about skateboarding.

Crosswalks are intended for people to cross going either way. If I was to make a right turn, check the crosswalk and it's clear, then make my right and someone sprints/rollerblades/skates into the rear wheel of my car, that is an issue of them being a dumbass and not paying attention. There is no requirement to walk against traffic on a sidewalk or crosswalk. Either you aren't making sure you are clear to turn or someone is running into the path of a moving vehicle.

Do I agree there are a lot of dumb skaters in So Cal? Yes.. they mostly like to cross marked crosswalks when the hand is red or they don't stop and make people aware the plan to cross for an unmarked crosswalk. I see tons of pedestrians do that as well. I only take issue with the talking about someone on a sidewalk or crossing the street at a crosswalk.. mainly because I have had plenty of issues with drivers who don't clear the crosswalk and almost hit me when I am legally crossing the street (white hand).

I've even started crossing a street and then have someone think they have enough room to make a left turn in front of me So they can get on the freeway.
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Sorry, I was talking about skateboarding.
Ahh... true, but skaters need to be aware that they are moving significantly faster than pedestrians and they need to realize that a driver may look directly at them and still pull out in front of them because they don't process the fact that the person on the sidewalk is going to be at the curb in less than 10 seconds.

Tunnel vision... we simply don't look more than 10-20ft down the sidewalk when prepping for a turn.
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Ahh... true, but skaters need to be aware that they are moving significantly faster than pedestrians and they need to realize that a driver may look directly at them and still pull out in front of them because they don't process the fact that the person on the sidewalk is going to be at the curb in less than 10 seconds.

Tunnel vision... we simply don't look more than 10-20ft down the sidewalk when prepping for a turn.
Absolutely! Pedestrians as well need to have a concern for their own safety and not put their hands into the lives of drivers. If you're crossing a unmarked street, try to make eye contact with a driver to show your intent, etc. Common sense.

We have a big issue in our city.. with this weird marked crosswalk that lets you cross into a business district (grocery store, wendys, starbucks etc) if you are on the other side of the road, so you don't have to walk down to a light, cross and walk back up. It's marked with white lines, no button to light it or anything. There is both the problem of drivers seeing pedestrians waiting to cross and not stopping for them, and teenagers running across them fast and chancing it. Cops never cared until a couple months ago when someone got clipped.
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Also have to consider the politics.
Money trumps the law. Sucks, but it's true.

We have an area in an equestrian district. Big money there.
Local speed survey shows 80% percentile speed at 45mph.
No pedestrian or equestrian accidents.
Legally, the city engineer can set the speed limit no lower than 35mph, and if someone is ticketed for doing 45, the speed survey would support them and the ticket would be tossed.

The posted limit remains 30mph and will probably never change.
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Great just what we need another "nanny law" theres already laws in place. If some idiot gets hit because of their own ignorance not my fault.. Definitely nothing to lose sleep over

I agree its annoying but I also think bums begging for change is annoying, however I dont think they will ever go away no matter how much you enforce any law
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I'm joggin in the bike lane tomorrow morning just for you Ben
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I run wherever I am safest. Sometimes that means the sidewalk, sometimes that means in the street. If I'm in the street I am running facing traffic.

I also ride a bike. Decided a long time ago that biking can't be done safely on the road. I am trail only. Enroute to the trail, I ride sometimes in the bike lane, sometimes on the sidewalk, occasionally in traffic. Always scared for my life if I am in a bike lane or "car" lane on my bike. I do whatever keeps me safe, and I watch out for my own safety.

I get what you're saying. But it's not just runners, bikers, spandex bikers, etc. It's people. It does not matter if we are talking about people driving cars, or on foot, or on two wheels. It's becoming more and more common for people to willingly place themselves in harm's way and expect others to look out for their safety. No personal responsibility.

Don't turn into a vigilante. There is no good at all that will come from that, and you will not fix the problem. The problem is arrogance and a sense of entitlement.

Drive defensively, the way they taught you in driver's ed all those years ago, and you'll have a successful drive. A successful drive ends with pulling back into the driveway without any dents, or blood on your vehicle, or hands. Anything else is bad news.

A 75 year old man recently said to me "people used to care about people". I can't get that out of my head. Something is very wrong with us, and I don't know how to fix it. This thread just reminds me of that.

Everyone be safe and remember that no matter how arrogant or stupid another driver, pedestrian, spandex biker, etc might be, no matter how much they piss you off, they have a family waiting for them at home. Help them get there in one piece. They may not deserve that, but their mother, father, child, etc does.

This really hits home as I sit here after surviving the day before Thanksgiving. I work as an appliance repair technician. Every year on this day, I see how important everyone thinks they are, and how little we care about each other. Not bashing on the OP or anyone else. I am just hoping folks will stop, look around, and realize how lucky they are if their biggest worry is the jogger in the bike lane, or a friggin oven that is running 25 degrees too hot.
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Great just what we need another "nanny law" theres already laws in place. If some idiot gets hit because of their own ignorance not my fault.. Definitely nothing to lose sleep over

I agree its annoying but I also think bums begging for change is annoying, however I dont think they will ever go away no matter how much you enforce any law
Your point is very...constructive (???). I'm not trying to change the world here, just trying to get some dumbasses to jog on the sidewalk for a 2-mile stretch of road.

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I run wherever I am safest. Sometimes that means the sidewalk, sometimes that means in the street. If I'm in the street I am running facing traffic.

I also ride a bike. Decided a long time ago that biking can't be done safely on the road. I am trail only. Enroute to the trail, I ride sometimes in the bike lane, sometimes on the sidewalk, occasionally in traffic. Always scared for my life if I am in a bike lane or "car" lane on my bike. I do whatever keeps me safe, and I watch out for my own safety.

I get what you're saying. But it's not just runners, bikers, spandex bikers, etc. It's people. It does not matter if we are talking about people driving cars, or on foot, or on two wheels. It's becoming more and more common for people to willingly place themselves in harm's way and expect others to look out for their safety. No personal responsibility.

Don't turn into a vigilante. There is no good at all that will come from that, and you will not fix the problem. The problem is arrogance and a sense of entitlement.

Drive defensively, the way they taught you in driver's ed all those years ago, and you'll have a successful drive. A successful drive ends with pulling back into the driveway without any dents, or blood on your vehicle, or hands. Anything else is bad news.

A 75 year old man recently said to me "people used to care about people". I can't get that out of my head. Something is very wrong with us, and I don't know how to fix it. This thread just reminds me of that.

Everyone be safe and remember that no matter how arrogant or stupid another driver, pedestrian, spandex biker, etc might be, no matter how much they piss you off, they have a family waiting for them at home. Help them get there in one piece. They may not deserve that, but their mother, father, child, etc does.

This really hits home as I sit here after surviving the day before Thanksgiving. I work as an appliance repair technician. Every year on this day, I see how important everyone thinks they are, and how little we care about each other. Not bashing on the OP or anyone else. I am just hoping folks will stop, look around, and realize how lucky they are if their biggest worry is the jogger in the bike lane, or a friggin oven that is running 25 degrees too hot.
I agree with you, and moreso the 75-year old man, but you kinda took this topic out of context.

I am not losing faith in humanity over this, and while I was ranting and obviously heated about the issue, my overall objective is to lower the possibility of someone getting injured or worse. My problem is on a VERY local scale, and I think it can be dealt with easily. Wrote a letter to the city and go from there. 'Merica!

As far as caring for each other, I couldn't agree more. I am a good sam, I stop when someone needs help, I am aware of my surroundings, I am a defensive but chivalrous driver, I small talk, I hold the door, I hold my farts in public (not really). I agree there is a lot more negativity in society, but every day is what you make it and your attitude is a choice (cliché).

This is by far not the "biggest worry" in my life. I just had one of those moments today like "Goddamit, I'm gonna do something about these damn joggers". So I gathered some opinions (none of which were from law enforcement like I had hoped).

I'm not gonna end up like Michael Douglas in "Falling Down"
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I'm not gonna end up like Michael Douglas in "Falling Down"
"Gentlemen, I have to warn you, I am having an exceptional day!"

Too bad you haven't heard from any LEOs yet. But seriously, what are they going to do about it? A couple bike cops hiding in the bushes?

Keep us posted. I'm intrigued.

As far as local problems, every once in awhile I will sit on the front porch and watch cars going through a stop sign without stopping. I will sit there until I see one car come to a complete stop. Sometimes I am out there for an hour. That's probably 60 or so cars.
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"Gentlemen, I have to warn you, I am having an exceptional day!"

Too bad you haven't heard from any LEOs yet. But seriously, what are they going to do about it? A couple bike cops hiding in the bushes?

Keep us posted. I'm intrigued.

As far as local problems, every once in awhile I will sit on the front porch and watch cars going through a stop sign without stopping. I will sit there until I see one car come to a complete stop. Sometimes I am out there for an hour. That's probably 60 or so cars.
At our old place, we'd sit and see the people speeding on the corner. There was probably one accident a week. Always injuries, car flipped over, cars totaled.. one time a jeep went right up a power pole and snapped it right in half, must've thought he was off-roading.
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"Gentlemen, I have to warn you, I am having an exceptional day!"

Too bad you haven't heard from any LEOs yet. But seriously, what are they going to do about it? A couple bike cops hiding in the bushes?

Keep us posted. I'm intrigued.

As far as local problems, every once in awhile I will sit on the front porch and watch cars going through a stop sign without stopping. I will sit there until I see one car come to a complete stop. Sometimes I am out there for an hour. That's probably 60 or so cars.
I didn't expect them to "call the local sheriff" or launch a sting operation. Just wanted to get their opinions or suggestions. I am also curious to hear what the response to my letter is. It's not a sprawling metropolis, so they might actaully do something

I guess at this point I can think of this as a social experiment.

*maybe I will turn this into a movie script and sell the rights to Lifetime.
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I have the opposite problem in bike friendly Boulder.

There are bike lanes on most of the the roads in my neighborhood. I walk on the sidewalk of these roads with bike lanes. The cyclists seem to refuse to actually use these bike lanes and would rather make me and my wife move to get out of their way while we walk instead of moving 6 feet over onto the bike lane on the road???

Serious cyclists dressed like they are racing the Tour de France tend to use the bike lanes, but the casual cyclist rides the sidewalk with and against traffic however they please.

It is illegal in Boulder to ride a bike on the sidewalk but it is never enforced.

I let them know they are in the wrong every chance I get, and unfortunately that is almost every time I walk.
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I have the opposite problem in bike friendly Boulder.

There are bike lanes on most of the the roads in my neighborhood. I walk on the sidewalk of these roads with bike lanes. The cyclists seem to refuse to actually use these bike lanes and would rather make me and my wife move to get out of their way while we walk instead of moving 6 feet over onto the bike lane on the road???

Serious cyclists dressed like they are racing the Tour de France tend to use the bike lanes, but the casual cyclist rides the sidewalk with and against traffic however they please.

It is illegal in Boulder to ride a bike on the sidewalk but it is never enforced.

I let them know they are in the wrong every chance I get, and unfortunately that is almost every time I walk.
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I agree, bikers and pedestrians both display a "do what I wanna" attitude sometimes. Reason being in part I think is that almost always the vehicle is responsible in case of an accident, so they figure it's their world. Either that or they assume the person in the car/truck can stop in time, and that's not always true.

I say this all the time when the motorcycle-riding friends of mine bring up "share the road"..my take is I'll share the road with anything on wheels, hell ride a unicycle if you want to..but that means you follow ALL the rules of the road just like I do.
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Ben I ran into a predicament this morning. Three joggers in the bike lane, all were skinny young ladies not wearing much in the cold... Not sure I had a problem with em
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There is nothing more I hate in life than bikers biking in the fucking street! Or not stopping at stop signs.
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