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Old 11-17-2009, 09:39 AM   #1
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Question Lightforce Auxillary Lighting

Let me start by saying, this is a newbie question. You guys have an overwhelming selection of catagories in which to post comments/questions, so here's hoping I've chosen the right one and won't get flamed too heavily if I've chosen poorly.
I've spent countless hours now lurking here as well as multiple other forums, reading, researching and trying to get up to speed on light bars as well as the lights to be mounted to said bars. I own an 08 double cab and am looking to add both driving lights as well as fog lights. After I don't know how many hours of internet surfing, I've narrowed my bar selection down to something by N Fab or a creation from either KC or Randy Ellis ( both KC and R.E.D. make a near identical product ). I won't post photos, as I'm confident most of you know which ones I am speaking of.

Question #1 regarding the bars - I have read many reviews on the KC/R.E.D. style, and no one has any complaints or issues with vibration or movement. The same can't be said for the N Fab stuff.......or at least I haven't found it yet. Any stability issues with N Fabs bar ? I travel rough dirt roads frequently and cannot afford to have bulbs bouncing around all over the place - my lights need to be solid.

Question #2 regarding lights - Lightforce has won me over after a lot of researching, reading, and talking with the few guys I've seen that do own them. Again, I can find very little negative about their products............with the eexception of their latest release, the Genisis series. There's not a whole lot out there on these yet, and for the time they've been out, I would've thought there'd be more feedback on them by now. Any addition info/thoughts on the Genisis would be greatly appreciated.
My original intent was to run a pair of the 240 Blitz H.I.D coupled with a pair of the 170 H.I.D. Strikers, however, I find myself wondering if that configuration will even fit on a KC/R.E.D bar ? I've seen photos of that exact layout on an N Fab bar, so I know it will work on that setup. Enter the Genisis, which give me just a little bit more elbow room if need be, BUT.....at what cost ? Still looking for some comparative comments on the Genisis up against the Blitz and 170's.

I'm a sponge when it comes to thoughts, experiences etc with stuff, so have at it guys, and thanks for listening to the new guy.
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I have the nfab and have no complaints what so ever. i use to drive on gravel, washboard roads several times a month and had no problems. on the washboards there was a little vibration to the lights but not enough to really bother me.
they are very sturdy and mine has held up well. I stand on it some times to clean the hood and its solid.

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on the nfab bar you can only run two lightforce 240's or three 170's, i have two 170's which i think i am going to replace them with soltek hid's. lightforce are good lights but i would get the hid's if i had to do it again, they are a pain in the ass to retrofit
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their (lightforce) HIDs are expensive!!!! I like the halogens and i got a smokin deal on them

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Maybe I've gotten my wires crossed and am showing my severe "newbie-ness" here.

I am glad you chimed in here, as it was your post earlier that caught my eye as far as bar and light configuration goes:



Which was taken from http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/buy...40-lights.html

I was under the impresion that was an N Fab bar ......yes...no ???

And are those 170s or 140s paired with the 240s ??
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N-Fab & Smittybuilt are pretty much the same bar. Here's my smittybuilt....very sturdy as was mentioned. It won't be the bar vibrating the lights, maybe the light mounts but not the bar.



yeah, I know, but it's a fake plate so who cares.............
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their (lightforce) HIDs are expensive!!!!
It's a price I'm willing to pay. No way I'm going to attempt a retro fit after the fact on a set of halogens - read to many negatives regarding the procedure and the ultimate result when compared to one done factory right from the get go. If I'm going H.I.D., I'm going to do it right, and do it factory. I'm looking at just over a grand for the initial set up for just lights, but I doubt I'll ever have to go back and fuss with it ever again.
All this leads to a secondary (related) question : ballasts....internal or external ?
The reason I ask is, what's the life expectancy on these anyways, and how hard are the internal ones to R&R when the time comes vs the external version ? I see guys mounting external ones in areas that look like they'd be very accesable to work with for when the time comes to do a swap.
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Oh - and thanks guys for all this......my head is still spinning looking at the endless possibilities when it comes to the mods you've all done. Your collective experiences with your trucks is worth it's weight in gold, and then some.
Your time in responding here is very much appreciated !!

So still no input on the Genisis......I'll keep looking. I thought the introduction of an 8" lamp from these guys would've kicked up a pile-o business for them, but I guess not.
In the mean time, knowing what I'm looking to mount,( a pair of 240s and a pair of 170s.....OR 2 pairs of the Genisis...jury is still out on that one ), which bars ( if any ) that we've discussed are suitable ? No one in my neck of the woods has physical stock on hand to be able to take measurements from, and if I order something on line and it's wrong, I'm basically screwed.

Prior to a few posts ago, I had never heard of Smittybuilt. Indeed, their product does look very similar to that of what N Fab kicks out. Is one a knock off of the other, and what's the diff between the two....is one any better than the other ????......
My criteria for my light bar was something that would be rock solid with as little transfer of vibration from road surface to light housings as possible, and was a direct bolt on - there must be NO cutting or modding the bumper or anything else, hence why I settled on N Fab or the K.C./R.E.D. bars.
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don't go with the genisis, too new, let them work the bugs out. n-fab makes the light bar and side steps and smittybuilt slaps there name on it. check out n-fab's website, they have different light bars now and they tell you what size light you can rum. i think the lightforce 240's are too big. stick with 8" and under in my opion of course.

here is a side shot of what i had.

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The smittybuilt on my truck has only 1 hole in the side brackets going thru the grill & on the front on each side where the brackets meet the bar, there are little triangle gussets that I don't see on fish head's nfab but....nfab was on the instruction sheet that came with mine so it's just a variation or revision of the same thing.

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check out vision x for lights too. they are pricey but worth the money if you've got it
http://www.sidebysidesports.com/vix65sehid61.html

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soltek also has a new hid, i have had no problems with the two soltek la paz light on my dirt bike so i will be getting those next.

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To the OP, I also am trying to decide on what route to take with the bar and lights. I am looking at going with the nfab bar for sure since I found it for $149 shipped. I am looking at doing Lightforce, but only if I can fit 4 170's on the bar. Another poster said you can only fit 3 170's on the nfab bar? According to nfab's website you can fit up to four 9" lights on the bar. the 170's are a little smaller than 7" in diameter. Am I missing something here?
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soltek also has a new hid, i have had no problems with the two soltek la paz light on my dirt bike so i will be getting those next.

https://www.bajadesigns.com/NET/P-61...+Driving+Black
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To the OP, I also am trying to decide on what route to take with the bar and lights. I am looking at going with the nfab bar for sure since I found it for $149 shipped. I am looking at doing Lightforce, but only if I can fit 4 170's on the bar. Another poster said you can only fit 3 170's on the nfab bar? According to nfab's website you can fit up to four 9" lights on the bar. the 170's are a little smaller than 7" in diameter. Am I missing something here?

you can fit 4 170's on there, i had two and you can see the spacing in the above pic. spacing is the same on all 4 tabs
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you can fit 4 170's on there, i had two and you can see the spacing in the above pic. spacing is the same on all 4 tabs
They other option I am considering is to run 2 140's and 2 170's on the nfab.
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They other option I am considering is to run 2 140's and 2 170's on the nfab.

well you know those will fit two. see above pic
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They other option I am considering is to run 2 140's and 2 170's on the nfab.
Stay with the 170s........the 140s don't have enough umph IMHO. Besides - the 140s are going to appear undersized from a visual standpoint.
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Stay with the 170s........the 140s don't have enough umph IMHO. Besides - the 140s are going to appear undersized from a visual standpoint.
yea im not really a fan of different size lights on the same bar. looks kinda silly IMO
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yea im not really a fan of different size lights on the same bar. looks kinda silly IMO
I've always felt so also. But, having said that, this is the closest thing to the configuration I'm working towards




- only difference is, I want the larger 240s in the middle with the smaller 170s out on the shoulders. The 240s will be my main "clear" driving lights while the 170s will likely sport fog lenses and the accompanying beam pattern.
Gonna' have to play with it once I have everything in my hands. I did briefly consider running 4 x 170s to keep that uniform look as mentioned, but I get this goofy look on my face when I think of the phenominal power of those 240s and having the ability to peel paint off just about anything in front of me with them.
First dude to high beam me when he shouldn't be is gonna' be on the receiving end of some serious retinal damage. ( no,....I'm not going to be running around looking for un suspecting drivers to blind....but when the time comes, I'm gonna' REALLY enjoy flippin' that switch. )
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