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Old 03-23-2012, 01:40 PM   #1
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LT overkill for me?

I've been looking into doing a mild 3" lift w/ 33" tires to gain a bit more ground clearance.

This was going to be complimented by high clearance bumpers front and rear.

My plan was go use new COs and UCAs for height with the addition of 2" wheel spacers to increase my track width a little.

I've since learned that AllPro offers a LT kit that only pushes the wheels out about 2" and am wondering if it would suit me? Or if it would be so overkill that it'd be a waste of money?

I don't plan on jumping my truck. Most of the terrain locally is rolling prairie. It's kind of a middle of the road place for 4x4s. There's a bit of crawling, a bit of high speed sand, a bit of forest trails and dry riverbeds... but there's nothing really crazy enough to justify a dedicated rock crawler or desert truck.

Mostly I just want to increase clearance and stability and I'm thinking LT might save some abuse on the chassis/drivetrain. It seems as though LT would allow for softer impacts, for the front axles to sit closer to a factory angle, and that spreading the track width through LT will put less stress on the front suspension than using spacers.

The question for me is whether it's worth the extra $2000? (EDIT: CO/UCA ~$2200 vs LT ~$4200)

I know that question is something I can answer, but I'd like some input from others?
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2 grand would only be the start thats not counting new 8 in coils 4x4 shafts and fiberglass and then you will have to think about the rear having a LT front end and stock or blocked rear end would be pointless i have learnded if you have to ask if LT is overkill it most likely is for your situation mu suggestion would be a solid mid travel set up so coils and UCS's and a leaf pack in the rear
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It's gonna cost you a lot more than 2 grand more.

Start with these threads:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/lon...formation.html

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/lon...ere-first.html
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By "extra $2000", I meant $2000 on top of what it would cost to just do CO/UCAs.

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CO/UCA ~$2200
LT ~4200
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I've been looking into doing a mild 3" lift w/ 33" tires to gain a bit more ground clearance.

This was going to be complimented by high clearance bumpers front and rear.

My plan was go use new COs and UCAs for height with the addition of 2" wheel spacers to increase my track width a little.

I've since learned that AllPro offers a LT kit that only pushes the wheels out about 2" and am wondering if it would suit me? Or if it would be so overkill that it'd be a waste of money?

I don't plan on jumping my truck. Most of the terrain locally is rolling prairie. It's kind of a middle of the road place for 4x4s. There's a bit of crawling, a bit of high speed sand, a bit of forest trails and dry riverbeds... but there's nothing really crazy enough to justify a dedicated rock crawler or desert truck.

Mostly I just want to increase clearance and stability and I'm thinking LT might save some abuse on the chassis/drivetrain. It seems as though LT would allow for softer impacts, for the front axles to sit closer to a factory angle, and that spreading the track width through LT will put less stress on the front suspension than using spacers.

The question for me is whether it's worth the extra $2000?

I know that question is something I can answer, but I'd like some input from others?
For an allpro front lt and leaf pack and shocks in the rear your looking at a total of $5-$6k. It can get alot more expensive when you go all out that would be closer to $5-$6k per front and back..

You are talking about a $4,000 difference between an allpro LT vs mid travel..

I have been saving for this very move from mid to LT and it is kind of hard to justify but doing both is worse so give it some honest thought if your the type of person that likes to push the limits of your toys, cause its fun!

Good luck with the decision

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By "extra $2000", I meant $2000 on top of what it would cost to just do CO/UCAs.

IE,
CO/UCA ~$2200
LT ~4200
Seems like you might be forgetting about half of your truck.

You can put 10 grand in a front LT and it won't help you one bit without a rear suspension that can keep up. You'll get better performance out of a full long travel rear setup and Bilstein's up front than the other way around.
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I was already planning on new leafs and shocks for the rear anyway, so the rear end price isn't a factor in this question.
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New leafs and shocks != long travel.

My point I was getting at is if you're going to pick only one end of the truck to invest money into for performance, the rear of the truck should be done first. Long travel rear means bed cage, big ass springs, shocks, and shackles, and spring under axle conversion.

For your purposes it sounds like a solid mid-travel setup will suite your needs much better.
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Yeah i mean in the end its your truck and your money if you want LT go for it but if you want a honest opinion i say MT
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:14 PM   #10
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New leafs and shocks != long travel.

My point I was getting at is if you're going to pick only one end of the truck to invest money into for performance, the rear of the truck should be done first. Long travel rear means bed cage, big ass springs, shocks, and shackles, and spring under axle conversion.
I figured that the AllPro front LT kit was fairly mellow and didn't really justify a full rear end makeover.
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Ass of the truck bucking all over the place is what's going to hinder your performance.

Maybe a video comparison would be more appropriate:

Mid travel front and LT rear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlmziAFg5GU


vs an AAL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ALuqI0bQA
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Look at Defined engineering SUA kit, thats what I have on order!! You can still run stock shocks until you have the coin for the rear bed cage.

I would say go LT cause it sounds like thats what you want. It sucks spending big money on something and not really be happy with it. (mid travel)
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mid travel would suite you better it seems, but of course do what ever you want. its your money
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Maybe a video comparison would be more appropriate:
I was looking at a full leaf pack, not just an AAL. Nothing too extreme, but I figured it would balance well with a mellow LT kit like the AllPro one.

I'm thinking a lot of you guys are thinking way too extreme. Probably my fault for posting in a part of the forum where the typical driving is a lot faster than what I can do. I figured the extra travel on the AllPro kit would make things easier on my truck when offloading in various terrain and conditions... I don't really need high speed performance of the type featured in those clips and couldn't really use it even if I wanted to.
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you sound like you really want it (and it will be smoother off road) but dont need it.

if you have the cash go for it
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I'm not trying to convince you one way or another.

You asked for feedback from those of us that have been down the road you're thinking about going down. In the end it's ultimately your money and your truck.

IMO if what I posted in the video above is faster than you have the ability to do, LT is definitely overkill and UCA's and extended length shocks will serve you very well. On the other hand, LT pulls bro-hoes a lot easier

And just cause it's only 2" wider kit, I wouldn't call the AP LT kit "mellow." It will still outperform a SOA leaf pack.
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[QUOTE=jberry813;4790923] LT pulls bro-hoes a lot easier

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end thread. you need lt
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What they're saying is no point in going lt up front if your rear can't keep up. And a soa wont be enough.
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I'm not trying to convince you one way or another.

You asked for feedback from those of us that have been down the road you're thinking about going down. In the end it's ultimately your money and your truck.
I appreciate that, it just seemed like things were starting to focus in a different direction than what I wanted. I should've worded my OP better, but I didn't know the kind of questions/comments that others would bring to the table.

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IMO if what I posted in the video above is faster than you have the ability to do, LT is definitely overkill and UCA's and extended length shocks will serve you very well. On the other hand, LT pulls bro-hoes a lot easier
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And just cause it's only 2" wider kit, I wouldn't call the AP LT kit "mellow." It will still outperform a SOA leaf pack.
I'm going to have to read up some more on this kind of stuff. I did some research into SUA, but figured it was more than what I needed. I'm not in a position to do extensive fabrication. I can get light stuff done, like gusseting the spindle for the AllPro front LT kit... but making a bed cage and installing new mounts is more than I'm willing to take on.
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