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Old 07-19-2012, 06:51 PM   #21
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You get more travel leaning forwards due to the axle moving forward at bump. The shocks also damp more linearly, especially at bump where you need it most.

You can mount the shocks off the back of the axle and lean them forwards to keep your stock gas tank and get the most travel.
Assuming your shock is the limiting factor.
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Ive read somewhere before on why people dont lean them to the rear but I cant remember why
haha of course. i think ive only seen one tacoma with the shocks facing that way and it was the one from those ^^ pics up there. i guess we'll just see what cycles the best. does the leaf pack nees to be on to get a proper cycle example??
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haha of course. i think ive only seen one tacoma with the shocks facing that way and it was the one from those ^^ pics up there. i guess we'll just see what cycles the best. does the leaf pack nees to be on to get a proper cycle example??
Leaf pack on, all leafs removed except for the main leaf.
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Leaf pack on, all leafs removed except for the main leaf.
^This. And make sure you tighten the axle down on the leaf with the u bolts and spring plates. You will probably need a block of wood to simulate the rest of the leaf pack so you can get the u bolts tight

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Leaf pack on, all leafs removed except for the main leaf.
why just the one lead if theres gonna be 9 others
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why just the one lead if theres gonna be 9 others
You won't be able to fully compress the leaf pack on jack stands if you leave all the leafs in.
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why just the one lead if theres gonna be 9 others
with SUA the main leaf is the top leaf so taking the others out doesnt change the axle position, it will be the same as where the axle will be when they are in
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You get more travel leaning forwards due to the axle moving forward at bump. The shocks also damp more linearly, especially at bump where you need it most.

You can mount the shocks off the back of the axle and lean them forwards to keep your stock gas tank and get the most travel.
Technically the axle moves back on bump due to the swing of the shackles. If you lean the shocks back it would follow the swing of the axle closer. Leaning shocks forward is more for links and the path they follow during suspension travel.
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It does until the spring is flat. The last bit of travel when its going negative arc it goes back forward
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Not all set ups go into neg arch but even so leaning the shocks rearward would be more perpendicular to the suspension travel than leaning the forward. You would get more of a 1:1 ratio leaning them to the rear but it does not "look" correct so most do not mount them leaning rearward. Mounting them vertical as you do would be a better option than mounting forward.
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Not all set ups go into neg arch but even so leaning the shocks rearward would be more perpendicular to the suspension travel than leaning the forward. You would get more of a 1:1 ratio leaning them to the rear but it does not "look" correct so most do not mount them leaning rearward. Mounting them vertical as you do would be a better option than mounting forward.
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Not all set ups go into neg arch but even so leaning the shocks rearward would be more perpendicular to the suspension travel than leaning the forward. You would get more of a 1:1 ratio leaning them to the rear but it does not "look" correct so most do not mount them leaning rearward. Mounting them vertical as you do would be a better option than mounting forward.
Once again true but with F67's with 12" shackles over the frame they will go negative arc. The problem is unless you have 18" shocks you have to angle one way or the other or sacrifice losing travel. Dan Helton angled his forward with the magic 52.5", I would take his advice

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the 52.5" number is legit. aside from backhalfing and linking the truck there was nothing that needed to be better on that truck in that time......it was simple, light, reliable and fast for what it was.....which was a class and series overall champ.

the rear had racerunner 2.5" 18" stroke 3 tube bypasses mounted off the front of the axle tubes at a 15deg angle at full bump with 2" of leaf de-arch and 4" 2.0 racerunner bumpstops.
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Once again true but with F67's with 12" shackles over the frame they will go negative arc. The problem is unless you have 18" shocks you have to angle one way or the other or sacrifice losing travel. Dan Helton angled his forward with the magic 52.5", I would take his advice
Not disagreeing with you. All I was stating is that if you want to be more perpendicular to the suspension travel you would lean the rearward. p.s Its Matt Helton not Dan.
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Not disagreeing with you. All I was stating is that if you want to be more perpendicular to the suspension travel you would lean the rearward. p.s Its Matt Helton not Dan.
I always thought the same thing but nobody seems to lean them back
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Technically the axle moves back on bump due to the swing of the shackles. If you lean the shocks back it would follow the swing of the axle closer. Leaning shocks forward is more for links and the path they follow during suspension travel.
Whoops, yes I meant it travels forward at droop. I stand by more travel with them forward though.
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Whoops, yes I meant it travels forward at droop. I stand by more travel with them forward though.
Again...not true. I get the most travel with no shock at all.

My point is this is only true assuming your shocks are your limiting factor. If you only have a 16" shock to play with and your suspension can cycle 18", then sure, you'll get the most travel tilting forward slightly. You can still cycle the same amount with an 18" shock angled backward and probably a slightly taller bed cage.

I personally would never mount the shock angled backwards, but it doesn't mean you'll lose travel unless the shock is your limiting factor.
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were gonna try to keep max bed space for hauling shit so the bed cage will be something like matts and i guess the shock position will sort itself out when the time comes
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