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Old 02-26-2011, 11:11 AM   #41
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I would say, They're threatening life, or threatening liberty. Liberty would be more of a political thing, not tied to the life part. So its an either/or sceneraio.

if I was going to get on the grammar, I would be reading it correctly and the correct way to read that bs orwellian line is:

Life and so on liberty and so on and the pursuit of all who threaten it. ellipses (...) are supposed to be read "and so on".

I would also add, that in the united states the only people that can legally have their liberties, and by virtue of situation MUST have their liberties impinged are the military and prisoners. No one else can even sign a contract to threaten their liberty. Its against the law. You could also argue that people of similar health disposition may live shorter in the navy as well. SO maybe give up a bit of life, a good chunk of liberty and pursue those who no-one but the uber paranoid feel threaten other's.
Threatening your life is most definitely threatening your liberty.

So in that scenario, I would say it is more of an if/then logic proposition, as opposed to either/or.

Just sayin'...
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Old 02-26-2011, 11:51 AM   #42
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My public high school sucked at teaching grammar, and simply Cornell expects you to already know how to use it so they don't really teach you either, but personally, in my opinion, in normal writing this would be improper use of an ellipsis. In normal speech the ellipsis is used to suggest an intentional silence, which is what is happening here so I think it's fine.

That said, to island808, I think BryWi is correct. If they are impinging on your life then they MUST be impinging on your liberty. So I would read the phrase as, "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten them."

But in normal speech the ellipsis works much better, much more dramatic.

Maybe even better, "Life and Liberty... and the pursuit of all who threaten them."
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Old 02-26-2011, 12:02 PM   #43
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I don't see anything wrong with the quote, Usually the battlegroup is spread out at such a distance that you never see them from the ship even when entering the straits of hormouz. A tell tale sign of the ships being in port is that the union jack would be on the bow.
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:20 PM   #44
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"them" is not correct... it is correct as is.... It doesn't say Life and Liberty... it has "..." which is means a continuation. It is implied that the words are spoken in casual speech.

ex. $100... $200... sold!
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"them" is not correct... it is correct as is.... It doesn't say Life and Liberty... it has "..." which is means a continuation. It is implied that the words are spoken in casual speech.

ex. $100... $200... sold!
But, the "it" refers back to both life and liberty. Which would require the word used to be "them".
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But, the "it" refers back to both life and liberty. Which would require the word used to be "them".
actually "it" refers to life or liberty... its as if two sentences were combined in casual speech
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