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Old 11-02-2011, 04:20 PM   #21
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thanks guys for all the input, i really do appreciate it, i really would like to work on the planes one way or the other, honestly aircraft and flight is my passion so its why i want to be in the air force on the flight line or something that has to do with the aircraft
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thanks guys for all the input, i really do appreciate it, i really would like to work on the planes one way or the other, honestly aircraft and flight is my passion so its why i want to be in the air force on the flight line or something that has to do with the aircraft
well if your intentions are to physically work on the aircraft, the only way you can do that is to be enlisted and be a crew chief, avionics technician, electrical and environmental technician, or engine troop. if you become an officer you will be not working on them but managing the personnel and resources for a maintenance unit. all in all a maintenance officer and many other officers are all alike. they have desk jobs. except for a few jobs of course. but since you said you want to be an officer and be around the jets then maintenance officer is the closest you will get besides being pilot. and of course with my experience(im sure other maintainers will agree) pilots dont know jack shit about the jets except how to fly them.

if you have any other questions feel free to PM me.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:09 PM   #23
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well if your intentions are to physically work on the aircraft, the only way you can do that is to be enlisted and be a crew chief, avionics technician, electrical and environmental technician, or engine troop. if you become an officer you will be not working on them but managing the personnel and resources for a maintenance unit. all in all a maintenance officer and many other officers are all alike. they have desk jobs. except for a few jobs of course. but since you said you want to be an officer and be around the jets then maintenance officer is the closest you will get besides being pilot. and of course with my experience(im sure other maintainers will agree) pilots dont know jack shit about the jets except how to fly them.

if you have any other questions feel free to PM me.
lol i hear ya there lol, but yeah i really want to be around aircraft and definitely want to be an officer! I'm really excited to get involved, and everything you guys tell me just motivates me more and excites me more for my future! i can't thank you guys enough!
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Im really researching on what i want to do in the air force after college, and there are so many jobs i would be interested in doing.....so could u help me with some descriptions from your own experience??

My goal is to do OTS so ill list officer jobs first, but after that ill list the enlisted jobs...

Air Liaison Officer

Commanding the warriors...no thanks.

Aircraft Maintenance Officer

..again, no thanks.

Combat Rescue Officer

This is a tough one..again, commanding those that do.

Security Forces Officer

....huh....hell no.

Munitions and Missile Maintenance Officer

See MX officer.

ok, now I'm going to list the enlisted jobs I'm interested in...

Aerial Gunner

..that job sucks...trust me.

Aircraft Armament Systems

you fix, I shoot.

Combat Control

2-3 years of training...then you deploy..a lot.

In-Flight Refueling

lay on your belly and pass gas...sign me up. Good gig..big world.

Helicopter Maintenance

..not much of a career post AF

Pararescue

..2-3 of training..and then you deploy..a lot.

Security Forces Specialist

huh...not only hell no, but hell hell no. They have to have the greatest attrition rate in the AF. I have yet to meet one who LOVES their job. I would get out before becoming a sky cop.

those are the careers I've been looking at, I'm really interested to hear what you guys have to say, and i have to say I'm really excited to join as soon as i finish college...any input is also greatly appreciated!
Let me add a couple to think about:

Loadmaster...C17 or C5. You will see the big world..a lot. Good gig.

Sensor Operator on UAV's. Great contract work post AF life. If you like making 20-25K..a MONTH..do this job.

Flight Engineer...see LM (except C-17) above. Stay away from anything with 4 motors and a radar dish..or that calls itself JSTARS. BORING!

Contracting: HUGE bonus...HUGE! Good contract and/or government gig on the outside.

Anything INTEL. See UAV Sensor dude.

As far as being an 0, be a pilot, intel, or any rated flying position. Anything more than that I would find...mmm...not fulfilling.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:37 PM   #25
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Let me add a couple to think about:

Loadmaster...C17 or C5. You will see the big world..a lot. Good gig.

Sensor Operator on UAV's. Great contract work post AF life. If you like making 20-25K..a MONTH..do this job.

Flight Engineer...see LM (except C-17) above. Stay away from anything with 4 motors and a radar dish..or that calls itself JSTARS. BORING!

Contracting: HUGE bonus...HUGE! Good contract and/or government gig on the outside.

Anything INTEL. See UAV Sensor dude.

As far as being an 0, be a pilot, intel, or any rated flying position. Anything more than that I would find...mmm...not fulfilling.
hey, thanks for the input! i like that its not sugar coated, every little bit helps, so thanks a lot!
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Old 11-03-2011, 05:16 PM   #26
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I would definitely recommend going in as an officer of money matters, and if you like having a little more control over your own career. However, if you want to get your hands dirty and actually be the one taking care of things for yourself, I'd say avoid it. Once you hit Captain you'll see a lot more time behind a desk, and once you hit Major it's pretty much staff jobs from then on unless you are a pilot or nav.

It's already been said, but I'll say it again...avoid anything that has to do with security forces. SF will get you all pumped up through the training, thinking you're about to run off to war with the Rangers....then you'll finish training and spend 6 months a year checking IDs at the chow hall in some shit hole in Afghanistan.

Aerial Gunner really does suck, it sounds badass, but in reality your job is to load the guns for someone else to shoot. Unless loading guns all day sounds like fun, avoid this one.

Combat Control is in fact badass, and well worth the sacrifices it takes to become an operator. Just be sure you understand what you're getting into, like Taco Gunner said above, you're looking at 2-3 (maybe more) years of training, then a steady diet of deployments. After training you'll probably spend more time deployed than home. Also realize that CCT is a no shit combat position, most of the Combat Controllers I've known only made it through 2 enlistments before they had to call it quits, just due to the hazard involved. Granted they loved it and wouldn't have done anything else, but those kinds of conditions are going to mentally exhaust anyone who's not cut from the same stuff as Chuck Norris.

Pretty much the same goes for PJ as CCT, but PJ is a little safer, and I personally like the idea of your main responsibility being to save lives and not take them, but that's just me.

In-Flight Refueling is pretty awesome to witness, at least the first few times. Not sure how much the actual boomers enjoy it after the novelty wears off though. Good travel options for sure though.

I also endorse Taco Gunner's suggestions for other things to consider, he pretty much hits the nail on the head. I can't emphasize enough the part about avoiding anything with 4 engines or a radar dish, unless it's mission is purely transport, big planes suck. When I first saw this thread the first suggestion I thought of was sensor operator (UAVs or manned aircraft) or contracting, both those jobs have earned the slogan "6 years...6 figures" (6 year enlistment, 6 figures on the outside after that).

I'd also say if CCT interests you, consider TACP, it's like a tame version of CCT, the training isn't as rigorous, and the deployments aren't as dangerous or frequent. Also, if you want to fly but don't want to be a pilot, look into being a NAV or a non-rated flying intel officer. Both of those jobs have tons of flexibility in terms of assignments and career paths, and they get to do some pretty cool shit.

One thing that is universal to the Air Force that they will never tell you about: bullshit. If you join, be prepared to wade through a lot of bullshit, red tape, politics, etc. A lot of people I know aren't bothered by it, but a lot of others are. And trust me, it's going to be more annoying shit then you have encountered before, if you think you're ok with that, then do it. Just make sure you aren't disillusioned.

Hope that's helpful, let me know if you have any specific questions about any of the jobs I mentioned, I can either answer them or ask someone who does that job. Best of luck man!
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if you have any specific questions about PJ or CRO shoot me a PM. i was a part of that community. i have a limited amount of knowledge about the CCT career field as well
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thanks for all of these inputs guys! it really helps, I'm really looking into what each of you said and weighing my options and thinking ahead to maybe after AF life, like i stated before though, i definitely want to be an officer and ill do what ever it takes for me to do that even if it means waiting (which is probably the hardest part lol)
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It's already been said, but I'll say it again...avoid anything that has to do with security forces. SF will get you all pumped up through the training, thinking you're about to run off to war with the Rangers....then you'll finish training and spend 6 months a year checking IDs at the chow hall in some shit hole in Afghanistan.

Or busting people for not wearing a reflective belt.

Aerial Gunner really does suck, it sounds badass, but in reality your job is to load the guns for someone else to shoot. Unless loading guns all day sounds like fun, avoid this one.

Actually, I was kidding. I am an Aerial Gunner and it can be a good gig. We load AND shoot the weapons!

Combat Control is in fact badass, and well worth the sacrifices it takes to become an operator. Just be sure you understand what you're getting into, like Taco Gunner said above, you're looking at 2-3 (maybe more) years of training, then a steady diet of deployments. After training you'll probably spend more time deployed than home. Also realize that CCT is a no shit combat position, most of the Combat Controllers I've known only made it through 2 enlistments before they had to call it quits, just due to the hazard involved. Granted they loved it and wouldn't have done anything else, but those kinds of conditions are going to mentally exhaust anyone who's not cut from the same stuff as Chuck Norris.

Pretty much the same goes for PJ as CCT, but PJ is a little safer, and I personally like the idea of your main responsibility being to save lives and not take them, but that's just me.

In-Flight Refueling is pretty awesome to witness, at least the first few times. Not sure how much the actual boomers enjoy it after the novelty wears off though. Good travel options for sure though.

I also endorse Taco Gunner's suggestions for other things to consider, he pretty much hits the nail on the head. I can't emphasize enough the part about avoiding anything with 4 engines or a radar dish, unless it's mission is purely transport, big planes suck. When I first saw this thread the first suggestion I thought of was sensor operator (UAVs or manned aircraft) or contracting, both those jobs have earned the slogan "6 years...6 figures" (6 year enlistment, 6 figures on the outside after that).

I'd also say if CCT interests you, consider TACP, it's like a tame version of CCT, the training isn't as rigorous, and the deployments aren't as dangerous or frequent.

Horseshit. These guys are CONSTANTLY gone and are embedded with either conventional Army or Special Operations folks. They are RIGHT THERE in the thick of it. They do good work..I have seen it first hand.
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Carry on.
My comments about gunners only loading is purely based off what my gunner friends have said, I would listen to Taco Gunner since he is a gunner himself haha. I probably just hear people's complaints...they mostly only hear mine!

I'm not sure exactly what you are calling horseshit though. CCT has the highest fatality rate of any AFSC in the air force by a massive margin, no other AFSC is even close. They also have the highest deployment rates, although not by nearly as large an amount. Those are both facts, and well worth knowing if you are deciding between the two.

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They are RIGHT THERE in the thick of it. They do good work..I have seen it first hand.
I didn't say anything negative about the TACP dudes, nobody who has been around them down range would, but nobody who has been with both TACP and CCT would try to say that CCT isn't both more dangerous and more difficult. I'm not trying to say one group is better than the other, just trying to give this guy some solid information to consider when he is making an extremely important decision.
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My comments about gunners only loading is purely based off what my gunner friends have said, I would listen to Taco Gunner since he is a gunner himself haha. I probably just hear people's complaints...they mostly only hear mine!

I think I know where the confusion is. There are gunners on AC-130s as well..and they just load the weapons...do not pull any triggers. Not sure why they call them gunners..but. I am on helicopters..and we pull triggers.


I'm not sure exactly what you are calling horseshit though. CCT has the highest fatality rate of any AFSC in the air force by a massive margin, no other AFSC is even close. They also have the highest deployment rates, although not by nearly as large an amount. Those are both facts, and well worth knowing if you are deciding between the two.

Show me where you got your facts. I work with these types..



I didn't say anything negative about the TACP dudes, nobody who has been around them down range would, but nobody who has been with both TACP and CCT would try to say that CCT isn't both more dangerous and more difficult. I'm not trying to say one group is better than the other, just trying to give this guy some solid information to consider when he is making an extremely important decision.

CCT training is more lengthy, no doubt. As far as more dangerous, one could argue EOD is..but they are not really direct action kind of guys. TACP/JTAC are direct action...as well as CCT. PJ's are out there EVERY DAY..multiple times a day. Trust me..they are..and it is very dangerous.


What is your AFSC?

I agree that the OP should make the best choice for HIM based on factual information. If you want to be a trigger puller, the USAF is probably not the best choice. PJ's do not do it..not much at least. CCT/TACP/JTAC..it is really not their job. They are there to support direct action missions. They do get in the thick of things but their primary mission is not as a shooter. Not say what they do is not "high speed", but a US Army Ranger will find himself in more firefights than your average Airman. With that Ranger will be a JTAC or Controller...coordinating air assets.
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What year are you in at college? Is AFROTC available? You can get into AFROTC as a sophmore and know some guys who got in as late as a junior.

I went the ROTC route in college as they paid for everything and I could not turn down free education. I managed to get a pilot slot, so I cannot comment on what the other AFSCs experience, but if you have any questions on ROTC let me know.

The main thing to point out is that it is all needs of the Air Force. If I did not get 92TO, I would have been a developmental engineer as they paid for my engineering degree and need engineers. A good friend of mine got medically DQ'd from flight and got tossed into engineering even though he wanted CRO because once again the AF needs engineers.
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What year are you in at college? Is AFROTC available? You can get into AFROTC as a sophmore and know some guys who got in as late as a junior.

I went the ROTC route in college as they paid for everything and I could not turn down free education. I managed to get a pilot slot, so I cannot comment on what the other AFSCs experience, but if you have any questions on ROTC let me know.

The main thing to point out is that it is all needs of the Air Force. If I did not get 92TO, I would have been a developmental engineer as they paid for my engineering degree and need engineers. A good friend of mine got medically DQ'd from flight and got tossed into engineering even though he wanted CRO because once again the AF needs engineers.
Im a sophomore, but my university doesn't offer any ROTC yet its too young of a school... i really wish they did
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Im a sophomore, but my university doesn't offer any ROTC yet its too young of a school... i really wish they did
How about neighboring universities? Know guys who went to a small private school and did ROTC at a State school. The ROTC detachments will work with you.
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How about neighboring universities? Know guys who went to a small private school and did ROTC at a State school. The ROTC detachments will work with you.
the closest school with AFROTC is 2 hours away from me
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well guys, i think I'm close to joining, only thing in my way is my weight, really need to get it down...cuz i won't be making it in at mine
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http://usmilitary.about.com/od/offic.../afoffjobs.htm

I have been considering the AF as well, still in college with a semester left to go. I looked at the above site and numbers 14 and 71 caught my eye.

14: Intelligence Field

71: Special Investigations Field

Anybody familiar with these two areas and what they actually do, as opposed to the long and fancy description given by the website. Is it a lot of traveling, overseas...etc?

Do the guys you know enjoy it?
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:31 AM   #39
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http://usmilitary.about.com/od/offic.../afoffjobs.htm

I have been considering the AF as well, still in college with a semester left to go. I looked at the above site and numbers 14 and 71 caught my eye.

14: Intelligence Field

71: Special Investigations Field

Anybody familiar with these two areas and what they actually do, as opposed to the long and fancy description given by the website. Is it a lot of traveling, overseas...etc?

Do the guys you know enjoy it?
From what i've seen at the NSA side of the house at ft meade, I wouldnt want to be intel. Most of the job involves living in a cubicle, lurking deepweb, trying to intercept packets off exit nodes in TOR. The amount of work required to conclude an identity after it has passed through multiple nodes and gotten picked up by you is mind numbing, compound that by adding the fun of secured hard drives, truecrypted volumes, SWAP disabled ram on the end targets computer. The just to piss in your cheerios, it turns out to be joe schmo, who wasnt doing anything, is you end target. Waste of fucking time and resources.


To add the the amazing discussion going on so far, it really doesnt matter to much what you get your degree in, as long as its useful. Be sure to be a LEADER first and foremost. If you cant lead your way out of a wet paper bag, and you got your degree in zoology or something equally fucking worthless, you will get the axe. it make not be quick, but if you manage to make Capt, you will get passed over for Maj and axed at you HYT.

Also as a fresh 2lt, do not ever assumed you are smarter than your enlisted folks because you've got your bachelors in something. I've gotten into a pissing match before with a LT because they assumed their degree made them smarter than me, and much better qualified to lead than me. I promptly tore him apart. Dont ever go up against a mech engineer, who doubles as an amateur fusioneer with your worthless piece of shit of OSU bachelors degree that states you studied phytoplankton for 4 years and smoked weed everyday.
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What about the special investigations field? Any info on that?
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