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Old 01-14-2012, 08:50 AM   #82
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Yeah...Because you know my deployment history. If you are going to run your suck-At least know the score.
I'm sorry - what are you going to do... ban me because you don't like my opinion? I stated my opinion on the matter - like it or not it is my opinion. It will always be my opinion until somebody takes the life out of my body. That opinion was instilled into me through my personal experiences and from the experiences of the men I served with. If you don't like it, feel free to not be my friend. I have enough friends as it is.
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I'm sorry - what are you going to do... ban me because you don't like my opinion? I stated my opinion on the matter - like it or not it is my opinion. It will always be my opinion until somebody takes the life out of my body. That opinion was instilled into me through my personal experiences and from the experiences of the men I served with. If you don't like it, feel free to not be my friend. I have enough friends as it is.
Why is that people always resort to bitching about me being a moderator?? Are you REALLY that insecure in your "opinion" that you have to deflect from the conversation at hand?? Did I say ANYTHING about being a moderator?? NOPE.

What I will do is continue to tell people who think like you, think that because they've seen "it" that they are better then everyone else...that you are WRONG. YOU signed up for your job knowing the rules...Just because you got a raw deal because of your assignments doesn't mean you are special and can rationalize BS like these guy pulled.

And don't worry- I wasn't trying to be your friend- I don't need to hang around with the likes of you.
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Old 01-14-2012, 09:05 AM   #85
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Why is that people always resort to bitching about me being a moderator?? Are you REALLY that insecure in your "opinion" that you have to deflect from the conversation at hand?? Did I say ANYTHING about being a moderator?? NOPE.

What I will do is continue to tell people who think like you, think that because they've seen "it" that they are better then everyone else...that you are WRONG. YOU signed up for your job knowing the rules...Just because you got a raw deal because of your assignments doesn't mean you are special and can rationalize BS like these guy pulled.

And don't worry- I wasn't trying to be your friend- I don't need to hang around with the likes of you.
Maybe the problem with you being a mod is you have the reputation of being a little bitch; but that is mainly scuttlebutt. I don't tread out of the Tx area very often because we tend to police our own.

As for me "being better" than other people that is quite a laughable matter. I'm probably a fucked up as a wiffleball bat and I know it. What I do understand is not telling somebody how to do their job when you don't know shit from shilola about their job. I won't tell you how to change the oil on a helo and you don't tell me how to clean my M16. Seems like a pretty straight forward concept that most of these ass clowns seem to have forgotten. All these damn arm chair "operators" seem to think it is a fucking cake walk are probably the same fucking idiots who think they should be playing pro football as a QB or some shit. It is real damn easy to say what those Marines did was wrong - and overall it was. As for knowing what they went through in the minutes/hours/days/weeks/months leading up to those actions I do not know so I do not judge. Without question something pretty fucking serious had to have happened if four US Marines felt those actions were appropriate. They are highly trained and disciplined men who have proven they have what it takes to do something that 99% of you fuckers can't.

Instead of their military brothers and sisters condemning their actions why don't we close ranks and take care of our own? If you have "been there and done that" then you should know that under stressful situations bad shit happens; but that doesn't mean we should hang them out to dry.

I am a former US Marine and I am my brother's keeper first and foremost.
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Maybe the problem with you being a mod is you have the reputation of being a little bitch; but that is mainly scuttlebutt. I don't tread out of the Tx area very often because we tend to police our own.

As for me "being better" than other people that is quite a laughable matter. I'm probably a fucked up as a wiffleball bat and I know it. What I do understand is not telling somebody how to do their job when you don't know shit from shilola about their job. I won't tell you how to change the oil on a helo and you don't tell me how to clean my M16. Seems like a pretty straight forward concept that most of these ass clowns seem to have forgotten. All these damn arm chair "operators" seem to think it is a fucking cake walk are probably the same fucking idiots who think they should be playing pro football as a QB or some shit. It is real damn easy to say what those Marines did was wrong - and overall it was. As for knowing what they went through in the minutes/hours/days/weeks/months leading up to those actions I do not know so I do not judge. Without question something pretty fucking serious had to have happened if four US Marines felt those actions were appropriate. They are highly trained and disciplined men who have proven they have what it takes to do something that 99% of you fuckers can't.

Instead of their military brothers and sisters condemning their actions why don't we close ranks and take care of our own? If you have "been there and done that" then you should know that under stressful situations bad shit happens; but that doesn't mean we should hang them out to dry.

I am a former US Marine and I am my brother's keeper first and foremost.
No one is telling you to put flowers in their muzzles or try to have them over for tea. No one is telling you how to fight a war-That is your job. Peeing on dead bodies isn't doing your job- It's deplorable. Stop trying to make it sound acceptable to defile a dead body (even if it is an enemies).

Sadly- The cat is out of the bad on being a keeper- These dolts took the video and posted it for the world to see. Stopping them before it happened would be protecting them.

And give me a break with the Marine hype. I appreciate the good Marines that I meet as much as any one else- but there are plenty of shitbags in the Corps too....Your 99% BS is as bad as the OWS math.

The bolded part is all you have to say. There were plenty of opportunities to stop what happened- but a failure in decision making occured. Now- the military gets to deal with a PR nightmare and those Marines (good or not) are going to get hammered.
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Old 01-14-2012, 09:21 AM   #87
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As they should get hammered for violations of the UCMJ; but this public mockery of all these armchair quarterbacks is bullshit. All these fobbits and liberals being up in arms over this is complete bullshit. While I am not defending their actions I am defending them. As men and Marines they performed those actions and they should be held accountable for them. As a grown ass man though I am not going to "stand" here and let a bunch of wrench turners or Battlefield cammandos run them down for their behavior. I would expect the same of you of if we were running down Coastie mechanics or whatever you do. If it isn't your field; then your opinion is really just an opinion.


BUT once we and the Ass-crack-astan government are done with these four Marines; why don't we start putting some pressure on the Asscrack people to find those men who were cutting the heads off of our boys? If they want to get all up in arms why don't they start in their own house first.
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You coulda left of the "With as much respect as possible" part- Cause there was no modicum of respect in that post. Just because you put on a uniform doesn't make you better than anyone else. And just because you seem to think you are better than everyone else- Doesn't mean that the military ignores civilian opinions.

PERFECT example is this group of assbag Marines urinating on corpses. And there are plenty of people who DO wear a uniform that agree- These Marines are a DISGRACE to teir service and their country.

And yeah-If my doctor started exposing his genetialia and/or commiting immoral acts and it came to my knowledge- I would probably say something- to the police. You aren't being told how to fight a war or do yoru job-You are being told how to not act like savages-Big difference and it matters.

I also wouldn't want that last quote attributed to me. Bad things happen everywhere- Thinking that it is okay is a big step in the wrong direction.
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Well said and I agree.
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Why does that matter? Brunes already said everything there is to say, right?
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Why does that matter? Brunes already said everything there is to say, right?
I have been safely retired for 16 years and was never in combat anyway, but I know, it's more than a shooting war over there. If all it took was force of arms the Red Army would have done it, Queen Victoria would have done it, shit, Alexander The Great would have done it. We don't want the Afghan people to think the Taliban is a better choice than the Americans.
Close ranks around a bunch of knuckle heads? I don't think so. Stuff like this doesn't help.
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You coulda left of the "With as much respect as possible" part- Cause there was no modicum of respect in that post. Just because you put on a uniform doesn't make you better than anyone else. And just because you seem to think you are better than everyone else- Doesn't mean that the military ignores civilian opinions.

PERFECT example is this group of assbag Marines urinating on corpses. And there are plenty of people who DO wear a uniform that agree- These Marines are a DISGRACE to teir service and their country.

And yeah-If my doctor started exposing his genetialia and/or commiting immoral acts and it came to my knowledge- I would probably say something- to the police. You aren't being told how to fight a war or do yoru job-You are being told how to not act like savages-Big difference and it matters.

I also wouldn't want that last quote attributed to me. Bad things happen everywhere- Thinking that it is okay is a big step in the wrong direction.
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As they should get hammered for violations of the UCMJ; but this public mockery of all these armchair quarterbacks is bullshit. All these fobbits and liberals being up in arms over this is complete bullshit. While I am not defending their actions I am defending them. As men and Marines they performed those actions and they should be held accountable for them. As a grown ass man though I am not going to "stand" here and let a bunch of wrench turners or Battlefield cammandos run them down for their behavior. I would expect the same of you of if we were running down Coastie mechanics or whatever you do. If it isn't your field; then your opinion is really just an opinion.


BUT once we and the Ass-crack-astan government are done with these four Marines; why don't we start putting some pressure on the Asscrack people to find those men who were cutting the heads off of our boys? If they want to get all up in arms why don't they start in their own house first.
I don't think any one is making a mockery of anything-These Marine or their buddy taking the video opened them selves up for any and everything when it was made and made it's way to the internet. Plus-You said yourself that this isn't the worst thing that happens over there right?? So this is a bigger problem than just these 4 guys. You see why the "It's just a little harmless fun to let fo the stress of battle" arugment doesn't fly. Because at some point it goes from jokes, to disrespect, to the stuff like wearing other humans body parts as jewlery and raping and killing them for fun.
Is that really what we are fighting for??

I'd rather see us leave the afgan people alone altogether- but that's a personal thing. Let them shit where they sleep....We'll deal with our own, real problems.
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Nobody likes an enemy, especially an enemy that has killed the ones you love. Its easy to fall into something like desecrating a human body of one you hate, it has been done for centuries in every war and conflict. If you look into history, service members have done even worse and it was accepted in society, check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AWM_072837.jpg.

For those who have never faced combat, you will have a harder time understanding the reasoning of this action. First, the guys are young, I would estimate the average age of the 5 men in the video would be 23. Dead people, blood and guts, no longer bothers them, it is now considered the norm. Hey, brain over here, leg over there, no big deal, been there, seen it, whatever. So, everybody hates being in Afghanistan and when Iraq was an option, Iraq sucked too. You would do anything to bring humor, smiles, and laughs to your everyday crazy life in a foreign country of war. With what is given, the Marines made a decision to bring some humor into their lives by pissing on dead bodies of people they hate, after all, they are just dead people... remember, its normal.

I am pretty sure the majority of those who took a life of the enemy and had the opportunity to confirm the death up close, pull out their cameras and took a picture, or two, or 50 to include them in it, and throwing a peace sign, middle finger, or just a smile. This majority would also just keep it to themselves or share it with those that have been there and understand the mindset of being out there.

Now, there is that small percentage of guys who took it a little too far by recording a video of them pissing on dead dudes in unison and stupidly shared it publicly on youtube where the majority of the audience will never understand the reasoning behind the actions which in turn would be looked at negatively and your ass now facing court martial.

Anyways, I understand why these Marines did what they did. Personally, I dont care that they did that. I do care, that they decided to film it and share it with the world. Only negative things can be produced from this... bad image for the United States, the military, specifically the Marine Corps, the Taliban has another video to share with their men to assist in the Taliban recruiting efforts and motivate their men to kill more ISAF personnel, and more freaking classes everybody has to take on how to handle war casualties.

I always say, would you do it if the Sergeant Major of the United States Marine Corps was looking over your shoulder? If you even have a slight hesitation of thought, its probably not the right thing to do.

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Stupid people, quit bragging that you killed somebody and/or did something to it. Nobody cares, everybody will think you are psycho, unless they are psycho too.
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Nobody likes an enemy, especially an enemy that has killed the ones you love. Its easy to fall into something like desecrating a human body of one you hate, it has been done for centuries in every war and conflict. If you look into history, service members have done even worse and it was accepted in society, check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AWM_072837.jpg.

For those who have never faced combat, you will have a harder time understanding the reasoning of this action. First, the guys are young, I would estimate the average age of the 5 men in the video would be 23. Dead people, blood and guts, no longer bothers them, it is now considered the norm. Hey, brain over here, leg over there, no big deal, been there, seen it, whatever. So, everybody hates being in Afghanistan and when Iraq was an option, Iraq sucked too. You would do anything to bring humor, smiles, and laughs to your everyday crazy life in a foreign country of war. With what is given, the Marines made a decision to bring some humor into their lives by pissing on dead bodies of people they hate, after all, they are just dead people... remember, its normal.

I am pretty sure the majority of those who took a life of the enemy and had the opportunity to confirm the death up close, pull out their cameras and took a picture, or two, or 50 to include them in it, and throwing a peace sign, middle finger, or just a smile. This majority would also just keep it to themselves or share it with those that have been there and understand the mindset of being out there.

Now, there is that small percentage of guys who took it a little too far by recording a video of them pissing on dead dudes in unison and stupidly shared it publicly on youtube where the majority of the audience will never understand the reasoning behind the actions which in turn would be looked at negatively and your ass now facing court martial.

Anyways, I understand why these Marines did what they did. Personally, I dont care that they did that. I do care, that they decided to film it and share it with the world. Only negative things can be produced from this... bad image for the United States, the military, specifically the Marine Corps, the Taliban has another video to share with their men to assist in the Taliban recruiting efforts and motivate their men to kill more ISAF personnel, and more freaking classes everybody has to take on how to handle war casualties.

I always say, would you do it if the Sergeant Major of the United States Marine Corps was looking over your shoulder? If you even have a slight hesitation of thought, its probably not the right thing to do.

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Stupid people, quit bragging that you killed somebody and/or did something to it. Nobody cares, everybody will think you are psycho, unless they are psycho too.
since there was some bickering I read on this thread, YES, ive been to Iraq twice (served with those Betio Bastards in 06'), Afghanistan once, and got my boom stick on a few times.
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all i have to say is that is you have never spent time in combat i mean real combat then you will NEVER understand why we have the opions we have. im not saying what they did is right, but i understand how it could of happened. everybodys is welcome to have there opionn on this its america. so lets end this thread get past this shit and talk about TACOMAs
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I guess I'm going to lose a few friends here but..

I've never been in the Military but have acquaintences (Matt Cannan- Lowville NY) that have died in Iraq (so that I can live in luxury)

I fully support our Troops.

It's an environment where people are trying to kill you and if you are lucky enough to kill them first, you're having a good day.

It's called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) No matter how happy the Soldiers appeared and I support them. If I were there I would have dropped my drawers and given those dead Bastards a full rear end salute. The armchair critics can kiss my ass.
RIP MATT and THANK YOU.
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:42 PM   #100
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i want to buy tx shooter a beer! like they way you think brotha
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