Originally Posted by 13BGriff
I've been in for 8 years, 4+ of those I've been deployed, my knees are shot. I can push myself through the 2 mile but 4, I think I might be weeded out. The ruck, I have absolutely no problem with. I've always been a pack mule, not a stallion. I do see a problem with all of this though. Our 300+PT guys who will have no problem with this are also the guys who struggle with the day to day physicality of my job in artillery. I'm 210lbs can walk with a 96lbs. on my shoulder all day without slowing down. These 150lbs. guys struggle with the first few and then they're just useless but can run as the day is long.
It's going to end up being the slim, trim and just for show army where a lot of guys in the same situation are told they aren't wanted anymore but when deployments come up and the job we trained for happens we're going to be deficient. That kind of planning is above my paygrade though.
I understand what you're saying here. I spent my first 13 years in the Army as an artillery officer - trained in cannon, LANCE missile and survey/target acquisition - in 8", 155mm SP, LANCE, and 105mm (M119) battalions. My last arty job was as the BN FSO with 2/8 FA serving as regimental FSO to 9th Infantry Regiment at Fort Ord. I was never a fast runner but could always complete any distance formation run and hump a ruck as well as anyone.
13 years of running, maybe 4 or 5 back when we still ran in boots, and the rest tore up my knees and I got tagged on a physical with degenerative arthritis in my right knee. The doctor told me he was going to put me through an MMRB and put me out. I was, somehow, able to convince him that if he let me transfer to a non-combat arms branch, I wouldn't have to run any more.
Two weeks later, I was wearing MI brass and moved to the division G2 shop and later was the XO for 107th MI at Fort Ord, still running and humping a ruck.
At that point, long distance runs were excruciating - tons of Motrin kept me going. A 4 mile run would have been hard - not from the conditioning perspective, just from the pain management side. And, I don't really think that it really provides any true assessment of conditioning in relation to the tasks a Soldier needs to be able to complete.
Hell, the old Run, Dodge and Jump replicated current requirements more than a 4 mile run does, IMHO.
The good news is, though, that I get to pontificate from the perspective of a retiree. I have the utmost respect for those of you still serving.