Originally Posted by Taco Gunner
Quick note about the Sensor Operator thing....
They are the future, plain and simple. Contract ballers (unofficial term for them) can make up to 25K a month. I know this for a fact...I just landed after flying some of them/
This is one of the reasons I am interested in the sensor op. position. My brother in law is currently deployed under contract. He is an operator of the scan eagle at Argentech. Needless to say he makes quite a bit of money.... when on deployment.... at the cost of being separated from my sister.
About a year ago I was no doubt going to go this route... however, at the time there were no sensor op. positions in Tucson. That AND, I realize that two of the most crucial skills wanted in new hires with sensor operator positions are 1. a security clearance and 2. Pilot license/time.
Still an option, but, it seems as though its harder to get an enlisted sensor op. position than get an officer slot in the army.... which is odd to me.
Originally Posted by Slimwood Shady
You also never slated as an option as going in enlisted as an e4 and trying an OCS packet again once you are in. If you are squared away, when your officers see you have your degree, they will most likely push you toward that anyway. Also when you are enlisted first, you tend to be a better more rounded and knowledgeable officer. I cant stress enough how important it is to k ow what the fuck is going on when you are deployed, other than just what you learned in school (or what you did one weekend once a month for a year or so. That is only 36 days...smh). Tricare is great medical insurance. Granted you dont get to pick and choose every option you like as others allow you to, but then again, you pay pratically nothing for any and all services rendered. I cant imagine why someone would down tricare's medical insurance
I have considered joining enlisted to go officer........... The reason I do not consider it any longer is because I have had numerous officers and enlisted friends/references tell me NOT to enlist if your goal is to become an officer. That it may only lead to let downs and negativity. (my references include my father (ret. Lt. Col), my wifes uncle (ret. Army spec. forces major), and a few of my friends currently serving enlisted army/air force).
Originally Posted by mdcmn7
10 years ago I would have agreed with your assesment of the NG and Reserves. However, current Op tempo puts Reserves and Guard on a 1 deployment in three year cycle. As a result they are spending a lot of time on active duty in theater and doing the "real" Army job. A lot of the shit bags have been weeded out and the weekend warriors understand they are actually training for a real world mission.
On one of my deployments with the PA NG we took over a small clinic in Iraq and our M Day medics worked side by side with the Active Army medics. However, the M day guys were Civillian Nurses, medics, and a PA when they werent in uniform. Our guys had so much more experience that we were more prepared than the Active duty guys. That may not apply to say an 11B but you get the idea.
Admittedly pulling out of Iraq, and the eventual draw down in Afganistan will decrease the deployments, but the No go guard and reserves of the 80's and 90's are no more.
When joining the military, regardless of the branch, assessing your goals/reasons is ESSENTIAL. Where do you want to be in 5-10-20 years? If you have an idea of what you may want, the Army will likley have avenues that will help you get there. If you pick an MOS that goes along with your life goals you will be head and shoulders above the other guys when its time for you to get back into civy life. Not to mention the education benefits
Not saying there is anything wrong with infantry, just not as many jobs on the civillian side when you get out.
Lastly, I wont say officers have it better, but it is different. The pay is higher, your housing is better, and you wont be digging many ditches or pulling all night guard duty.
Thank you for the informative response. My original intention was to make a career of whatever it is I do in the military.... That has now changed slightly because I didnt make the cut. I do realize however that I can make a career of reserves/NG.
The reason why I am pursuing the officer slot rather than enlisting is exactly what you said. Im planning for my future. I want to be as marketable as I can be either while in or after my service..... That being said, GENERALLY SPEAKING.... (not always, so dont get me wrong please) being an officer will be a +1 on a resume.... if for nothing else than the leadership you gain by going to OCS.
And the reason MI, is also because of future opportunities... The security clearance will help, and MI is not as "targeted" of a career choice... vs something like sensor operator.
Originally Posted by bakerla
Do you want to be an MI officer? What type of unit would you be in as an MI officer?There is great potential in the MI world, both in and out of the Army Reserve.
The MI world has great funding and many opportunities for short tours and training, both stateside and abroad.
Ive heard good things about Tricare Reserve Select for folks that don't have employer provided healthcare. Don't discount it.
Thanks for the advice. This is why I am strongly considering the MI slot at Ft. Huachuca in the reserves.
Originally Posted by sandboxpirate
Is the MI slot going to require you to get a Top Secret Clearance and can you get one, you will need good credit and a clean record? If it requires a TS and you join then do not get your TS you will be put wherever you are needed. Like everyone has said before look at your long term goals and see how the reserves or guard will assist you in getting there. Think long and hard because this decision will have many implications in your future. Explore all possibilities and talk with all branches. And lastly remember when you raise that right hand you are swearing to give it all up to and including your life. It is worth it, yes you will sacrifice alot but I would not take anything for my service.
The MI slot will require me to get clearanced no doubt. I have no debt ATM other than a car payment, and have not ever had any financial difficulties. The only Legal trouble I have gotten into was 3 speeding tickets w/in an 11 year period.
Thanks so much for taking your time to help me.
Originally Posted by Teniente
Army Aviation and a Warrant slot. Plenty of opportunities in the outside world when you get your wings.........like US Customs/ICE flying Blackhawks and Falcons all over the world. Maintain your NG/USAR "weekend" flying status and have a great civilian job with double benefits.......
I too was considering this route. Had I gotten an active duty slot, I most certainly would have put my packet in for aviation while in OCS....... My hesitation with this field however is the dangers involved (dont take this statement wrong. I know I am potentially sacraficing my life no matter what I do). That being said, id rather not put myself in more danger than necessary..... and lets face it.... there are jobs within each branch that are more dangerous than others. I only hesitate because I have a family and I have a duty at home as well.
As I understood (could be mistaken), Aviation officers actually fly a bit less than warrant officers... more ppwk and desk job work.
Also, at the moment, the civilian market for helicopter pilots is saturated. This doesnt mean it will remain that way, nor is it a reason for me to "turn away".... I am still considering this route as well.
I would like to wrap this post up by thanking all of you who contributed to my post and future decision. It really means a lot to me that you each took the time out of your/your families day to speak to me on my difficult decision.
Thank you much.