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Old 11-02-2012, 01:52 PM   #181
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K so here's what I don't understand: If you guys have this huge, worldly sized military in the United States, and this huge massive drug problem domestically, why don't you guys just bring everyone home for a year or two, work with the DEA, and start dismantling the drug trade in your country. To me it just seems like an issue of being horribly undermanned.

Or even help out Mexico?? It seems like dealing with the countries like that where the gangs are better equiped then the cops would be a better useage of resources.
Little thing called a Constitution and the Posse Comitatus law. That, and could you really see OUR Congress authorizing invading Mexico? They (Mexican Gov't, such as it is) will NEVER sanction US troops being in-country to fight the Cartels.
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K so here's what I don't understand: If you guys have this huge, worldly sized military in the United States, and this huge massive drug problem domestically, why don't you guys just bring everyone home for a year or two, work with the DEA, and start dismantling the drug trade in your country. To me it just seems like an issue of being horribly undermanned.

Or even help out Mexico?? It seems like dealing with the countries like that where the gangs are better equiped then the cops would be a better useage of resources.
In addition to a large military, we also have a law which strictly prohibits the use of military personnel for domestic law enforcement. It could be done under martial law (a presidential declaration), but that would be extremely unpopular with civil libertarians (drug users obviously wouldn't like it either).

Personally, I think much could be done short of martial law. For example, military personnel, without direct arrest authority, could be used to supplement or assist civilian law enforcement. They could also be used, under supervision of civilian law enforcement, to search vehicles & ships entering the country. Both would still generate a massive outcry from civil libertarians, but I don't really care (though others obviously do).

As for Mexico, they wouldn't likely agree to the use of our military there (suggests they can't handle it on their own) and any independent action might be considered an act of war. Again, at this point, I'm not really bother all that much by the latter either.
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Very simple to click a mouse and find the facts in the link I provided. Also the facts are backed up with a couple more clicks with their sources....

Drug War Statistics
• Over the past 40 years, the War on Drugs has cost more than $1 trillion and accounted for more than 45 million arrests.

• In 2009 nearly 1.7 million people were arrested in the U.S. for nonviolent drug charges – more than half of those arrests were for marijuana possession alone. Less than 20% was for the sale or manufacture of a drug.

• Even though White and Black people use drugs at approximately equal rates, Black people are 10.1 times more likely to be sent to prison for drug offenses. Today, Black Americans represent 56% of those incarcerated for drug crimes, even though they comprise only 13% of the U.S. population.

• In a 2010 survey, 8.9% of Americans over the age of 12 had used illicit drugs in the past month.

• Today, there are more people behind bars for nonviolent drug offenses than were incarcerated for all crimes, violent or otherwise, in 1970. To return to the nation’s incarceration rates of 1970, America would have to release 4 out of every 5 currently held prisoners.

• Between 1973 and 2009, the nation’s prison population grew by 705 percent, resulting in more than 1 in 100 adults behind bars today. In 1980, the total U.S. prison and jail population was about 500,000 – today, it is more than 2.3 million.

• The U.S. incarcerates more people than any country in the world – both per capita and in terms of total people behind bars. The U.S. has less than 5 percent of the world’s population, yet it has almost 25 percent of the world’s incarcerated population.

• 1 in every 8 state employees works for a corrections agency.

• It costs an average of $78.95 per day to keep an inmate locked up, more than 20 times the cost of a day on probation.
I don't get the point of your argument. If crimes are committed, what does it really matter how many are incarcerated? As the old saying goes, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. At any rate, this is a country of 300+ million people with less than one percent (2.2 million) in prison. I don't think that's at all excessive, especially when that number committed crimes.

As for blacks, percentage of population is utterly irrelevant. You can only prove discrimination by proving they're incarcerated at a rate disproportionate to the crimes they've committed. You have not even come close to doing that. In the end, blacks are often far more visible in their drug activities (more likely to sell drugs on street corners, for example), so are obviously going to get caught more often. That has nothing whatsoever to do with discrimination.
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