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Old 09-12-2012, 03:25 PM   #21
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I'm sorry but we helped out the rebels who were on "our" side. That's great and all but can they control the country? Egypt too. It could be very easy for more radical Islamic groups to take power in these situations. Which would be much much worse than Quadafi, Saddam, Mubarak, ect...
You guys backed Saddam and Mubarak , at least while it suited you , no ?
 
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I'll go ahead and say the one word that sums it all up......"Religion".
Agree, Why don't other religions seem to go Ape shit when a movie / cartoon is made slighting them? It may be the "Extremist" that stir the pot but that's a lot of extremist protesting in the streets.

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Agree, Why don't other religions seem to go Ape shit when a movie / cartoon is made slighting them? It may be the "Extremist" that stir the pot but that's a lot of extremist protesting in the streets.



The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend...
Some religions don't need cartoons... abortion clinics and christians... all religions have a pressure point for the "extremists", and they all have them.

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Some religions don't need cartoons... abortion clinics and christians... all religions have a pressure point for the "extremists", and they all have them.

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on this scale?
 
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on this scale?
Let's see... snipers shooting doctors... and 500 years of "crusades"?

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Who's on the crusade these days?

R.I.P to those Americans murdered. /enough
 
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Who's on the crusade these days?
America? That's what George Bush said...

No religion is guilt free, past, present, or future. Or free that mater free of radicals who beleive that all they do is in the name of their God(s), and their actions are free of sin.

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You guys backed Saddam and Mubarak , at least while it suited you , no ?
Yeah we did for a while, Saddam was a little different story. But at the time we were worried about Soviet influence on that part of the world. We always gave Egypt more foreign aid than anyonen else, mostly to keep them from going after Israel and to be on "our" side. Now Mubarak is gone, even if they "elect" a democratic leader, they will have a hard time keeping the radicals in check. Libya will be the same way.

It is funny that muslims get pissed when they are depicted as being violent and extreme, and in protest they go out and kill and burn shit. This happenned in Denmark several yrs ago with a cartoonists.

Israel likes to strike first before they get too powerful or crazy, but we usually have a wait and see attitude. If I were Israel I'd go after Iran, they shouldn't give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks. Obama should be backing them too.
 
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If I were Israel I'd go after Iran, they shouldn't give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks.
Good advise for Iran... seems the only way to keep people from screwing with your country (no finger pointing.. but) is to nuke up. Just ask North Korea, Pakistani and India.

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I wonder what would happen if we pulled all Funding from the Middle East? All across the board.

Then they would just say we are inhumane, selfish and greedy.


But seriously. "Oh, you just murdered someone with supposed Diplomatic immunity? Goodbye, we will leave you to your own fate now..."



EDIT: It will never happen, but some people just don't understand how many millions of dollars of "humanitarian aid" we pour into countries that hate us, much less clandestine operations.
 
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Good advise for Iran... seems the only way to keep people from screwing with your country (no finger pointing.. but) is to nuke up. Just ask North Korea, Pakistani and India.

Frank
They want to be part of the big boy club. Having nukes gives you more street cred. If they do get them, they will be able to have much greater influence on the persian gulf, Iraq, Kuwait, SA, and over Israel. That's not a good thing. Our national security is completely dependent on a secure price on oil. If oil sky rockets, our economy suffers. If it stays that high for long, the US will be forced to take extreme measures. Israel did us a huge favor in 91 by not getting involved. We need to back them on Iran.
 
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Yes and no. More often than not it's economocs. In Iraq you had 2 factions of Islam. However the Sunni were the minority but controlled most of the money. Once Saddam goes down, The Shia try to get even.

Most of these "Radicals" come from pretty shitty backgrounds and are brainwashed. They hate us and whoever is in power because of what we believe, but mostly for what we have. If you had a stable govt that was fair, AC, running water, some luxuries, disposable income, health ect...you would be a lot less likely to be convinced to strap a bomb on your chest and blow up a shopping mall.

funny thing is we have weak minded brainwashed types right here on our own land....

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We need to back them on Iran.
See.. to be fair, we wouldn't have to "worry" about Iran, if the CIA hadn't created the situation where Khomeini was able to rise to power in the first place.

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Our foreign policy(ies) and it's seemingly shortsightedness just makes me want to bury my head in the sand some days.

I have no idea what would be different in both our own and foreign countries if we had not "meddled" in them over the last 3-5 decades. Who knows.

All I can see now is a lot of hate, fear and ignorance out in the world, and certainly not just foreign. (that vid ^^^^ is scary)

Now, I am going to preface my next statement with a bit of info to (hopefully) forestall some of the backlash. By no means am I a Pacifist. I work in one of the top MMA gyms in the country. I am a card (and more) carrying NRA member. I have spent time in some seriously scary places internationally and domestically. I have both seen and inflicted violence upon others.

BUT, I don't agree with how so many people in the world respond to an insult/snub/prank/joke with immediate violence so often.

I understand that the atrocity in Libya may have been instigated by a select few, but it is sad when it is so easy for them to get the populace fired up like that.

Maybe it is my own ignorance or misunderstanding of the situation/scenario, but it all makes me somewhat sad...


Ok, I am done now.
 
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Our foreign policy(ies) and it's seemingly shortsightedness just makes me want to bury my head in the sand some days.

I have no idea what would be different in both our own and foreign countries if we had not "meddled" in them over the last 3-5 decades. Who knows.

All I can see now is a lot of hate, fear and ignorance out in the world, and certainly not just foreign. (that vid ^^^^ is scary)

Now, I am going to preface my next statement with a bit of info to (hopefully) forestall some of the backlash. By no means am I a Pacifist. I work in one of the top MMA gyms in the country. I am a card (and more) carrying NRA member. I have spent time in some seriously scary places internationally and domestically. I have both seen and inflicted violence upon others.

BUT, I don't agree with how so many people in the world respond to an insult/snub/prank/joke with immediate violence so often.

I understand that the atrocity in Libya may have been instigated by a select few, but it is sad when it is so easy for them to get the populace fired up like that.

Maybe it is my own ignorance or misunderstanding of the situation/scenario, but it all makes me somewhat sad...


Ok, I am done now.
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That can and does happen everywhere; Seattle riots of 1999, Vancouver riots of 1994 and 2011 (both of which were over something as trivial as a game). The list goes on, both here and around the world. Property damage, deaths, fear... Maybe someday the whole of the planet will smarten-up and start to mend some of the shit that's been going on from the beginning of time.

Frank
 
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I agree with this. But just to cherry-pick this part outThat can and does happen everywhere; Seattle riots of 1999, Vancouver riots of 1994 and 2011 (both of which were over something as trivial as a game). The list goes on, both here and around the world. Property damage, deaths, fear... Maybe someday the whole of the planet will smarten-up and start to mend some of the shit that's been going on from the beginning of time.

Frank
Individually they may be smart, but People are seriously retarded.

I was in caught in the London riots of.... 2001? or was it 2002?


EDIT.... I don;t even remember why people were rioting. Just that someone defaced Winston's statue (not cool at all) and they were all pushed back into Trafalgar square. I was escorted out because I had a handy dandy American accent and my passport on me. (I seriously was there by chance, it was weird)
 
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I was in caught in the London riots of.... 2001? or was it 2002?
I think most cities are trying to have these as annual events now.

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Yeah we did for a while, Saddam was a little different story. But at the time we were worried about Soviet influence on that part of the world. We always gave Egypt more foreign aid than anyonen else, mostly to keep them from going after Israel and to be on "our" side. Now Mubarak is gone, even if they "elect" a democratic leader, they will have a hard time keeping the radicals in check. Libya will be the same way.

It is funny that muslims get pissed when they are depicted as being violent and extreme, and in protest they go out and kill and burn shit. This happenned in Denmark several yrs ago with a cartoonists.

Israel likes to strike first before they get too powerful or crazy, but we usually have a wait and see attitude. If I were Israel I'd go after Iran, they shouldn't give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks. Obama should be backing them too.
What do you mean Saddam was a " different story " ? You guys backed him , and helped arm him
 
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Any one else smell the shit coming?? I Hope the Jews pull the trigger on the sand gangsters soon. I think they have been wanting too for a long time,,, Can you guess WHO will have to help out on that one????? Bush was right on that one extent the Med. Sea too Viet Nam...6 to 12 nukes will do it Like it or not there is no stopping it now Jim
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