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View Poll Results: What paygrade are you?
E1-E3 120 8.29%
E4 210 14.51%
E5 334 23.08%
E6 182 12.58%
E7-E8 139 9.61%
E9 41 2.83%
CWO2-5 41 2.83%
O1-O2 99 6.84%
O3 77 5.32%
O4 52 3.59%
O5+ (I doubt it) 152 10.50%
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Old 12-19-2009, 05:04 PM   #42
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Yep the rnaks may be different an dthe jobs different too but an E- or O- whatever gets paid the same no matter what service. E-4 in the Airforce gets paid the same as an E-4 in the Army no matter what job they are doing. the only thing that makes it different is the time they have been in the service because you get raises every year until 4 and then it goes every 2 years ie 6, 8, 10, etc...

We should also point out that even though an E-9 has been in for 20 years or more an O-1 who has only been in 1 year is still senior to the E-9 but no E-9 will ever let a "boot" Lt tell him what to do . So it is more adequate so see who is the senior Enlisted and Senior Officer.

Typically an E-6, O-1 and O-2 are at the same level. and an E-8 will be with and O-3 and E-9s will be with O-4s and higher depending on how long the E-9 has been in his present grade. Enlisted work as advisors to the Officers. they work together to accomplish the mission.

Now for the Marines, when you get to the E-8 and 9 department there is 2 different ranks for each pay grade. 1st Sgt(E-8) and Sgt Major (E-9) is an administrative type job where Master Sgt (E-8) Master Gunnery Sgt(E-9) are in the tactical realm dealling with things necessary to train the troops.

Maybe someone else can shed some light on thier respective services and how they work for the civilian community that has an interest in our posts here.
The relationship between enlisted and Officers is very complicated, in a general term officers are generally in charge of their area of responsibility, but it depends on what level and how senior you are... while technically every officer is higher than ever enlisted seniority plays a huge factor in responsibilities.

In general every component is lead by a Officer w/ and executive assistant Officer and Senior enlisted advisor. Every components "command element" is made up of CO/Department Head/Division officer and XO/assistant, and Department NCO (senior enlisted)

It is very loosely sort of like a corporate structure,
Officers are the managers, while enlisted are the workers, however senior enlisted become advisors to the managers.

Its really difficult to explain the relationship, I was always butting heads with my boats Chief of the Boat (COB, E9, master chief) because I was the Supply Department Head (O2, LTJG) and he always had his hands in my divisions. My Department chief (E7) had dual obligations, to his department (and me) and to the Chiefs Quarter (the COB)

While technically I was senior in rank to the Master Chief, He was senior in service and had more of the COs trust, due to his experience.

Its really difficult relationship when you look at the E7-E8 to the E9 and Officers, Generally every division has a senior non-commission officer who works for the Commissioned Officer but also has a responsibility to the Senior most enlisted in the company/bat/reg/ship/squadron etc etc... so it can create some awkward, painful experiences

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Navy structure is:
Work Center (led by NCO)
Division (led by Junior Officer, w/ Junior NCO as advisor)
Department (led by mid-grade officer, w/ mid-grad NCO)
Ship (led by Senior officer, and senior NCO advisor)
Squadron (led by Senior Officer, and Senior NCO advisor)
Group (led by junior Admiral, w/ Senior Officer and Senior NCO as advisor)

so on so forth and depends on the type of ships/aircraft
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E-6, USAF, 4C0 here...Just moved to Bethesda area. I am now working a joint assignment w/the Army and Navy. A lot to learn in dealing with their ranks/titles. Still confused about the Navy. You can have two E-5s doing similar jobs and have different titles. Not PO2, but call them HN1 or HN2. Learning that plus, I am still studying for WAPS...yee haw!
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Hi, a Warrant here but not a Flight Warrant (I'm a 180A). Last I heard there was a shortage of Flight Warrants and that the flight program was open to all branches of the Miltary, Active or not. If you haven't already, contact the Warrant Flight Branch directly. Cut out the Middle Men who may have a hidden agenda. You are your best Career Manager.
True, I am my own career manager and I'm just now realizing that. I have been talking to the Florida national guard about flying with them and they only have 2 boards a year. I will try to contact the aviation branch to see what they can do, but from what Ive seen ad experienced, it's very competitive. I hate hearing about these high school to flight school guys, but what can you do?
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The best way is to go to the reserves, get picked up there, go to Rucker for flight school and then go back to active duty after a few months. I'm not a warrant, but I'm in a reserve attack aviation unit and I've seen it done many times.
Does the board work the same way as active duty? Is there more available slots? I ets in 15 months and need to start planning, I'm done with this ADA b/s.
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its says you're a medic... what is that exactly, different from a Doctor but is it equivalent to our corpsmen but an officer? because in the Navy medics are all enlisted, medical officers are a professional corps, ie Doctors, PAs, Nurses, etc
Actually I USED to be a medic, from 1998-2004. I'm a registered nurse now, and back in May of this year I accepted a commission in the Army Reserve. I guess I should update my profile on here
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E-5 in the Army. I'm in Air Defense Artillery and trying to get picked up as a flight warrant, so far no luck. Any flight warrants here?
I was just at Alpha (now charlie) Battery for training! 14S FTW! haha
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Hi, a Warrant here but not a Flight Warrant (I'm a 180A). Last I heard there was a shortage of Flight Warrants and that the flight program was open to all branches of the Miltary, Active or not. If you haven't already, contact the Warrant Flight Branch directly. Cut out the Middle Men who may have a hidden agenda. You are your best Career Manager.
In case you guys don't know, 180A is a Special Forces Warrant Officer.

I know how modest you guys are and I hope you don't mind Gator but you deserve to be recognized.

In my case I'm a MSG (E8) and have 26 years of service. I start my Terminal Leave Dec 30 and will be placed on the retired list April 1.
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True, I am my own career manager and I'm just now realizing that. I have been talking to the Florida national guard about flying with them and they only have 2 boards a year. I will try to contact the aviation branch to see what they can do, but from what Ive seen ad experienced, it's very competitive. I hate hearing about these high school to flight school guys, but what can you do?
I recruit Warrant Officers (or used to) for the Army Reserve. That includes Technical and Flight. My AO is PA, NJ, and DE. The problem is that we are limited in how many Aviation Packets we can submit for the Army Reserve. This year my area was only allowed one. Last year it was four. This number in determined by USARC G-1. I had 8 Soldiers ready to drop packets for FY10 but could only submit one.

The other problem is that you would also have to have to either already be in the Army Reserve or have your current unit commander sign a Conditional Release which states that if you are selected you will be released from the Regular Army. This is easier said then done.

If you will PM me I can put you in touch with the POC for your area. Tell me what state you are looking to move to or you can go here and do it yourself LINK. They might have more allocations and may not have filled theirs already.

Also FYI, there are six DA Warrant Officer Boards a year - not two. And because you are Aviation your packet does not have to be reviewed by a Proponent Chief but goes direct to the DA Board.

If you have not already done so, I would recommend that you take the Alternate Flight Aptitude Selection Test (AFAST). A score of 90 or higher is required. You can go here for a sample Flight Packet and other prerequisites. LINK
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