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jeckel7234 11-11-2012 06:32 AM

Military Academy=Military Service?
 
First off happy veterans day to all the current and prior service.

Is going to the AF academy for 2 yrs give or take considered actual service? A guy just started working with, went to the academy for just short of 2 years, and tells people regularly he served and is borderline retarded arrogant with it (got out because he didnt like dealing with the politics of it), not to sure how I feel about it, since I dont know jack shit about the academy. And in the dept i work theres atleast 6 or 7 prior service enlisted and were all kinda sketchy about it. So all in all what the majority opinion on this.

Brunes 11-11-2012 06:36 AM

Two years at the Academy is nothing...the academies aren't considered for time in service, or for any other purpose. And to wave it around like he deserves something.. Lame.
My question is "Why did he leave the Academy??" Cause not liking the politics is a bullshit answer.

j83soldier 11-11-2012 06:37 AM

Military accademy is NOT sevice. No way, no how. You are in college. Albeit you are in a school that trains for leadership you are not on the line. There is no argument that is all.

AzogSS 11-11-2012 06:37 AM

Hell no.

j83soldier 11-11-2012 06:40 AM

Had a LT tell me he had 5 years in after westpoint. Could not action on an objective or even conduct a pcc/pci to save his life. He was great at OPORDS and planning but execution sucked. No practical experiance. He was made to be humble and queit and was a PSGs dream LT once he lost the holyier than tho attitue.

Brunes 11-11-2012 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by j83soldier (Post 5975662)
Military accademy is NOT sevice. No way, no how. You are in college. Albeit you are in a school that trains for leadership you are not on the line. There is no argument that is all.

Lets not go too far overboard there. While I was at the Academy - I did more "on the line" than a lot of folks who are "active duty." So making blanket statements is a dangerous game.
Two years and "getting out because of politics" is someone who was a shitbag 99% of the time...but just because it's a college doesn't make it any less of a service.

j83soldier 11-11-2012 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Brunes (Post 5975681)
Lets not go too far overboard there. While I was at the Academy - I did more "on the line" than a lot of folks who are "active duty." So making blanket statements is a dangerous game.
Two years and "getting out because of politics" is someone who was a shitbag 99% of the time...but just because it's a college doesn't make it any less of a service.


Ok dont missread me, we butt heads alot. Service Schools educate officers greatly (I am speaking for west point as that is all I know) However it is not a cure all. They come out eager and hungry and very knowelgable on the officer side of the house. Planning, TLPs, OPORDS ect. What they lack is practical experiance and real world exection. While they may be able to plan often they are unable to know what to plan. That is the PSGs job, to push the LT in the right direction and to do so in a way that the LT remains in charge and learns to trust the enlisted side of the house. Any other way breeds the officer vs enlsited bullshit that is toxic at the platoon/small unit level. I equate "On the Line" with experiance. There are exceptions, fast learners ect. Hell even people that could not digest experiance if it was funneled in their mouth. All of this is for the combat arms side of the house. The technical side Like you brunes I would assume would be a little more practical in what they taught, not just theory. However at the same time you guys are pursueing a degree. NO way does it count as time. It counts as a way of earning a commission. I hope this clarifiyied what I meant

j83soldier 11-11-2012 07:00 AM

ohhh and yea why get out. cant cut it?? wanted to get gone before you had to commit to something more than yourself probably

AzogSS 11-11-2012 07:07 AM

Ask to see a DD 214. Argument over.

j83soldier 11-11-2012 07:11 AM

would they put the reason for withdraw on there??

jeckel7234 11-11-2012 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Brunes (Post 5975659)
Two years at the Academy is nothing...the academies aren't considered for time in service, or for any other purpose. And to wave it around like he deserves something.. Lame.
My question is "Why did he leave the Academy??" Cause not liking the politics is a bullshit answer.

Those were his reasons, saying he had to contact the senator that sponsored him and it took a while for him to actually get out, and he still has a CAC card idk why though, or even if it may be expired. I know yall were butting heads but for the most part Brunes going to the academy and j83 maybe at West Point, yall agree that its bs to consider himself a "military veteran".

Warputer 11-11-2012 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jeckel7234 (Post 5975643)
Is going to the AF academy for 2 yrs give or take considered actual service? .


Not in my book.

tacomathom 11-11-2012 07:55 AM

Washing out of the academy, OCS or boot camp DOES NOT qualify as having "served".

Brunes 11-11-2012 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jeckel7234 (Post 5975832)
Those were his reasons, saying he had to contact the senator that sponsored him and it took a while for him to actually get out, and he still has a CAC card idk why though, or even if it may be expired. I know yall were butting heads but for the most part Brunes going to the academy and j83 maybe at West Point, yall agree that its bs to consider himself a "military veteran".

He still has a CAC?? That is wrong (because he stole it) unless he has another valid reason to have it...which makes my bullshit meter go even higher.

Coreyjon 11-11-2012 09:47 AM

Doesn't smell right - does not sound like he is in a position to maintain a CAC - so it's probably expired. Academy = not active service. While one could argue that it is in service of the service that attitude might be a bit ...of a stretch. (putting it lightly).

Sounds like you already know why he didn't make it.

j83soldier 11-11-2012 09:55 AM

op i never went to west point. just to clarify. i am a e7 and my thought are based off paat experiances ocer the last decade.

bluesurfur 11-11-2012 10:01 AM

Academy time doesn't count towards time in service. Meaning, when finished a graduate will need complete 20 years (not 16) to retire. Without having logged federal service a cadet is not a Veteran. If your not a Veteran you haven't "served."

4x4Taco2012 11-11-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tacomathom (Post 5975852)
Washing out of the academy, OCS or boot camp DOES NOT qualify as having "served".

X2. If that guy has a CAC it is probably expired or will soon (depending how long ago it was issued to him). Your co-worker is a wannabe...

YayAreaTaco0311 11-11-2012 11:57 AM

Ex gf's "friend" fell off the rappel tower in basic training at Ft Jackson, got med sep the next day, and has medical benefits for life. Goes to school and calls herself an "Army veteran."

How do ya'll feel about that?

Konaborne 11-11-2012 12:03 PM

bull. I have friends who are seniors at the AF academy, and they have the same view as me and the other "normal" ROTC non-prior service..

we're shitbag little snotnosed brats until we've actually branched and been attached to a unit. Even then, it'll be awhile before we can say we're anything close to "competent"


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