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Old 08-21-2012, 02:49 PM   #41
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Regarding the main fire, bbq, communal areas, camping, toilets, vendors and the general orientation and layout of the area at BFE, it would be nice to have a map ahead of time so that when someone rolls up at night or while everyone's out having fun, they already have a general understanding of where things/groups of people are at. A simple arial photo from google maps with markings on it would be plenty, I think. This would also be good if we have vendors that show up to set up their stuff while we're not at the camp. We could have a staked out area for them so that they know right where to go.

I also think that the whiteboard idea was great, but with an expected growth in the event, I think it would be wiser to have trail sign-ups, meet up locations, and leaders picked ahead of time so that we can monitor/limit the number of rigs on any given run. This also helps with those that aren't staying in camp. They can just show up at the meeting place ready to wheel. I know we tried to do this before, but it seemed like it went out the window while we were actually there.
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Regarding the main fire, bbq, communal areas, camping, toilets, vendors and the general orientation and layout of the area at BFE, it would be nice to have a map ahead of time so that when someone rolls up at night or while everyone's out having fun, they already have a general understanding of where things/groups of people are at. A simple arial photo from google maps with markings on it would be plenty, I think. This would also be good if we have vendors that show up to set up their stuff while we're not at the camp. We could have a staked out area for them so that they know right where to go.

I also think that the whiteboard idea was great, but with an expected growth in the event, I think it would be wiser to have trail sign-ups, meet up locations, and leaders picked ahead of time so that we can monitor/limit the number of rigs on any given run. This also helps with those that aren't staying in camp. They can just show up at the meeting place ready to wheel. I know we tried to do this before, but it seemed like it went out the window while we were actually there.
Agreed.

Back to the trails, leaders, departure times discusson......

When you start promoting the event, give a list of trails that will be offered during the event. Have some set limits as to the number of truck you will allow on any given trail. In general 20 is a max number IMO and even that makes for a LOOONG day. Ideally 10-15 is perfect. But set the number based on the trail too. Some trails can handle larger groups. Fins and Things for example isn't aweful with 20 trucks. Golden Spike SUCKS with 20 truck (ask me how I know).

Then when people register they select their top 3 choices for trail runs for each day of the event. The trail assignments are made on a first come first serve basis until the truck limit is met. If a run is full, then you look at that person's second pick for a trail on that day. If that run is full you put them in their third choice.

A lot of this will also be dictated by the total number of trucks you can have at the event. I know this past year we kinda flew under the radar as far as the BLM and permits are concerned. That's going to be tougher going forward. Cruise Moab for instance limits the event to ~200 trucks because that's what their permit allows. The BLM can give you numbers on that and how much those permits will cost. Then you can decide what you're willing to spend for a permit.

Once trail assignments are made, people know what their plan is prior to coming to the event. There is some wiggle room (within reason) if people want to make last minute changes to their choices if there are runs that are not full.

At that point the trail leaders also have an idea who they should be looking for on the morning of the trail run. If they know they are supposed to have 10 trucks in the group but there are only 3 there at the departure time, the trail leader may decide it's worth waiting for a few more minutes for additional trucks that might just be running late. If the trail leader had no idea he was going to have more than 3 trucks he might just bail and leave people to fend for themselves that might not even know how to get to the trail heads.

When and if you are interested, I have a list of most of the trails and the meeting locations used for Cruise Moab. The departure locations are pretty convenient and allow space for all the trucks to line up and wait while everyone shows up.

Another good idea with trail assignments is to assign a CB channel for that particular trail. That way if someone is running late they can turn to that channel and contact the trail leader or someone else in the group to let them know to wait for them. Obviously the CB channel is helpful on the trail itself. Another benefit of the CB channel assignment is that organizers are able to contact someone on the trail if they need to in case of an emergency. Clearly reception can be an issue with CB's so a HAM frequency assigned to the trail can also be useful so that if there is a serious breakdown, the trailleader or someone from the group can radio back to the main camp to let people know they have been delayed or that they need parts delivered out to them on the trail, or they need medical support.
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Old 08-21-2012, 03:58 PM   #48
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More thoughts........seriously tell me to stop if you're sick of it.

More on the Registration/Check-In/Tech Inspection:

Have Driver packets. Inside the driver packets are their trail assignments. A list of all trails and difficulty ratings along with the assigned CB channel, start time and departure location for each trail. A map of the campground and facilities. A schedule of activities for the event such as vendor night, or raffle. One free raffle ticket as part of their registration. Event t-shirt, sponsor stickers etc.

Have EVERYONE who registers check it at the main headquarters to receive a driver packet and go through tech inspection. I'm not trying to be a dick about it but I think it's critical to have the tech inspection and to be pretty stringent about passing the inspection. If someone doesn't pass they can't run trails with the event until they can pass the inspection.

Possible items for tech inspection:

Brakes: Be able to stall vehicle in first gear using service brakes (manual transmission).
be able to stall vehicle in third gear using parking brake (manual trans)

Steering: No excessive play in steering linkage and tie-rode ends, steering racks etc.

Tires: Visual inspection of tires for adequate tread. Spare tire required

Lights: Headlights are in proper working order. Taillights on proper working order

Safety: Seatbelts for all passengers. Rollbar or hardtop for all vehicles. Fire extinquisher in the vehicle and accessible. Windshield free of cracks that obstuct view of driver.

Communication: CB Radio and/or HAM Radio installed and functional.

Recovery: Tow strap required (no straps with hooked ends). Proper recovery attachments points secured to the frame of vehicle front and rear. Winch (optional). Hi-lift Jack.

MISC: No excessive fluid leaks. No open exhaust (i.e. straight pipes)

Optional: Spare parts. Tool kits.



Once you have completed and passed the tech inspection have some way to designate which trails the truck is cleared to run. For example at Cruise Moab they use colored stickers (just a small 1" dot) for this. A blue dot clears a rig to run trails rated up to a 3 in difficulty. A Green sticker clears a rig to run anything up to a 5 rated trail. Once you've applied the stickers to the truck (CM Moab puts them on the drivers headlight) then you have the driver sign the waiver understanding the risks involved and release the event and it's organizers from all liability.

Later that day (ideally the day before trails runs start) have a drivers meeting to go over trail ettiquette, any instructions from the BLM or things specific to individual trails, answer any questions, introduce trail leaders.

On the morning of each run have the assigned trail leaders come early to the HQ and pick up a trail leader packet which could include the names of participants on their runs. Start time and location information. Portable human waste system if available. Sat phone if available. Spill kits. These items are returned at the end of the trail run to be reassigned out the next day.


Truthfully, from my experience, something along these lines may seem over the top but it sure makes things run smoother and participants have a better time knowing what's going on and how to plan their days.

Again, these are just my ideas and suggestions. take 'em or leave 'em, it's not my event.
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keep it coming adam...i remember seeing a lot of this information when i was planning the last event, but you're covering a lot of the important points..

it's definitely a lot of work to get a system setup that works, and cruise moab is a great example of taking an idea, expanding it and making a system that works over and over again...
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:35 PM   #51
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Look here
http://cruisemoab.com/

their trail rating system is helpful and gives some vehicle requirements/recommendations.

This is good too. Their safety inspection for is in PDF form on there too.

http://cruisemoab.com/vehicle-requirements.asp
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good lord adam! haha ill read it more tonight. great responses from everyone! i will post again soon! (once i read all of adams posts...)
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Damn Adam......that's a lot of good info. The check in and registration would be a gray time to take care of the things like the tech inspection. But I would also recommend having a time and place set up for each day. That way those that arrive late will be able to go through the same steps that the ones that show up the day before the runs go through. Also to ensure that the mechanically inclined are spread through the trails daily and that each has what they need in the way of tools (personally responsible for bringing their own). I know it was a great help to have Ben, JLee, and the guys to help out on Kane when the Jeep crapped out (we fixed it for this next run). That made it a huge help. As well as trying to ensure that there is at least 1 rig with a winch per group.
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Great ideas so far! I Def like the idea of posting trails, start times and cb channel number, also maybe list the trail leaders so participants know who to go to for more info.

I would def like to organize a few more night runs!

Also, if you need any one to run over to moab before hand for anything, let me know... All I need is a reason
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Also one big a** photo of everyone and their rigs would be awesome!
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Damn Adam......that's a lot of good info. The check in and registration would be a gray time to take care of the things like the tech inspection. But I would also recommend having a time and place set up for each day. That way those that arrive late will be able to go through the same steps that the ones that show up the day before the runs go through. .
That's the idea. The only downside to it is that someone is "stationed" at the HQ during the day to field all the late checkins (or you handle it at night). CM handles it the same way.
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I dont personally think that trails should have extremely specific requirements. I have done plenty of trails where I was told without a doubt I would not make it without a locker. I dont have a locker, made it through just fine everytime. Its not always the vehicle, driver experience is also a factor. I have helped plenty of guys with way more bad ass rigs get unstuck. Pick the right line and your fine. If you dont, well thats why we are such a close knit community,we always help one another out and if your not cool with helping somone out then you probably shouldnt g to an event like this. And trying to add too much organization will only add chaos to it. I agree things should be organized. I hate clutter, even when its people clutter, but I have seen what "too much" organization can do, and it isnever a good thing. You guys have made a lot of good points, just dont over organize the event, or make things more complicated than the have to be. Everyting worked out just fine this year and maybe could be better but you don have to re-format the whole meet. Not trying to sound like a dick s please on take it that way. I am glad everyone is putting in their .02 though. Great idea on the thread!
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I don't disagree with your driver experience comment. at all. Limits are just a guideline and generally they are good to have. Someone like you is going to be the exception, NOT the rule.

Like you, I've helped more guys than I can count that had crazy built rigs and had no idea how to drive them and they were broke, stuck, lost or a combination of all 3.

I still stand by the suggestion of having some requirements. On the flip side, we had Steveo77 on our golden spike run this last time. His truck was basically stock and unlocked. Under the rules he would not have been allowed on that run, but he did fine. We helped him through a spot or two but otherwise he was ok.

This is another arguement for assigned trail leaders. When the group shows up at the trail location and the trail leader has a guy that appears to be under equipped he can use his discretion and send the guy packing or let him come along. If he feels like the guy has the experience, then go for it. They both know what they're getting into and they both "signed on" at that point and you make it work.

But you need someone who can make that call at the trailhead if necessary for the betterment of the entire group. It's not fair to a group of built trucks on Pritchet to spend their day waiting on a under equipped truck to spend a lot of time getting through obstacles even if the driver is experienced.
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