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Old 03-12-2013, 08:00 AM   #41
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It really comes down to personal preferance. I'm 5'8, and I wanted a DRZ for the longest time until I sat on one at a bike show. My feet can barely touch the ground, and it seems a tad heavy for off road. If you're taller and heavier it might be just right. I've always ridden vintage enduro's, which usually have nice low ride heights ( I guess no one was jumping 20 foot table tops back then). My old Yamaha DT400 probably weighed about what a DRZ weighs, but I could get my feet flatfooted no problem so it was never really an issue. For stricly off road my favorite is my 75 DT125, super light weight and a nice 2 stroke powerband. But it's top speed is like 60 so it's not very useful on the road. Keeping an old bike like that usuable is a project in and of itself though. For me, a modern liquid cooled 250 like the KLX or WR seems about right for on/off road.
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I've heard good things about the DRZs

I had an XR650R that was plated. Did good on the road and in open off road, but not well in tight stuff because it was so heavy. I miss that bike. Power for days.
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I've heard good things about the DRZs

I had an XR650R that was plated. Did good on the road and in open off road, but not well in tight stuff because it was so heavy. I miss that bike. Power for days.
I sat on one a while back and those things are huge! I'm 5'9" and could never ride that thing, way too tall for us short guys
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You short guys are doing it wrong. You don't need to be able to touch the ground to ride, just to stop. You only do that at a traffic light or the end of a trail. Any other time where you feel like you need to plant your feet, just give it more gas.

Also, for those needed stops mentioned above, you have to master the one cheek shuffle. Coming to a stop, slide your right cheek to left side and plant the left leg. Time to go, lift and go.

I'm 5'8 and have used that on all bike, b/c I can't flat foot shit. Worked like a charm, even on my XR650R.
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^^^ This

I'm only 5'10 with stubby legs. I couldn't back into a parking spot and stay on the bike.


I didn't ride my XR off road all that much, didn't have time which is why I sold it, but I loved that bike. I highly recommend the XRs. I put a ton of miles on it, mostly on road, and had almost no issues with it.
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You short guys are doing it wrong. You don't need to be able to touch the ground to ride, just to stop. You only do that at a traffic light or the end of a trail. Any other time where you feel like you need to plant your feet, just give it more gas.

Also, for those needed stops mentioned above, you have to master the one cheek shuffle. Coming to a stop, slide your right cheek to left side and plant the left leg. Time to go, lift and go.

I'm 5'8 and have used that on all bike, b/c I can't flat foot shit. Worked like a charm, even on my XR650R.
Ride in traffic with a bike that's too tall and see if you still have that opinion. Yes, I can ride an XR650R at my height but constantly having to do that 'one cheek shuffle' as you mentioned at frequent stops gets really, really old in a hurry. I would prefer something lower to the ground that I can at least touch the ground with my toes on both sides (I couldn't do that on the XR).
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Just gotta work on your balance....like a trials guy!
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Just gotta work on your balance....like a trials guy!
I wish I had that kind of balance, the good trials guys are impressive to watch!
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Ride in traffic with a bike that's too tall and see if you still have that opinion. Yes, I can ride an XR650R at my height but constantly having to do that 'one cheek shuffle' as you mentioned at frequent stops gets really, really old in a hurry. I would prefer something lower to the ground that I can at least touch the ground with my toes on both sides (I couldn't do that on the XR).
I did. My 650R was tagged, and I'd ride around town all the time. Did a trip through South Florida and down to the Keys on it. Almost all road riding, and if you've ever been to the Keys, you'd know it is stop and go traffic. Managed just fine. At 5'8 with stubby legs I can tip toe both sides, and easily slide and get one foot planted just fine. Not sure what the problem is. Only time height became an issue on the pig is when I'd strategically park the bike on its side off road, and had to kick the bike over.
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I did. My 650R was tagged, and I'd ride around town all the time. Did a trip through South Florida and down to the Keys on it. Almost all road riding, and if you've ever been to the Keys, you'd know it is stop and go traffic. Managed just fine. At 5'8 with stubby legs I can tip toe both sides, and easily slide and get one foot planted just fine. Not sure what the problem is. Only time height became an issue on the pig is when I'd strategically park the bike on its side off road, and had to kick the bike over.
Interesting... I wonder if the one I sat on had the rear spring cranked up. I'm 5'9", shorter legs and I couldn't even tip toe on both sides. Tip toed on one side, I could only get to the peg on the other side. It didn't squat at all when I sat on it either (I weighed 160 at the time). It was the only one I'd ever sat on and that just put a really bad taste in my mouth. I didn't make it out of the showroom for a test ride even.

I had an older XT350 which I really liked size-wise. It was decent for technical trails but didn't have the balls for on road riding. It topped out too quickly, needed another 20 MPH.
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I believe stock they were sprung for a 160-170ish pound rider. Lots of people change the rear spring for one to their size. So there is a good chance that if it was used, someone tossed in a better spring.

Yea, riding the road with the lower cc's can get old fast. My XR250R is great for a lot of stuff, but once you start getting away from town on the road, it sucks.
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Yea, riding the road with the lower cc's can get old fast. My XR250R is great for a lot of stuff, but once you start getting away from town on the road, it sucks.
Yeah that's why I chose the XR650L, myself. It has the power to run with traffic at highway speeds even doubled up, and still enough ground clearance to offroad. I'm 6'3", 245 and have no trouble flat footing on both sides of the bike unlike those shorter riders. I needed something suited to haul my weight around. I plan on uncorking it in May sometime, after the warranty expires. Then I'll probably go through tires more frequently.
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My brother deployed a few months ago and I "stole" his BMW F650GS. It's a little small for me, 6'2", but his has the low profile seat, etc. Haven't gotten it off road yet, but I know he did, alot, and absolutely loved it. I have been looking into a few different bikes before I started riding this, now I am sold. Must sell a kidney and part of my liver (I am only killing it off anyways) to afford a 1200GS (maybe an 800GS first).

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Yeah that's why I chose the XR650L, myself. It has the power to run with traffic at highway speeds even doubled up, and still enough ground clearance to offroad. I'm 6'3", 245 and have no trouble flat footing on both sides of the bike unlike those shorter riders. I needed something suited to haul my weight around. I plan on uncorking it in May sometime, after the warranty expires. Then I'll probably go through tires more frequently.
There's a nice ride report on ADV where a guy rode all around the states for a few months. The 650L isn't a bad bike if your intentions are for road and dirt road stuff. Any tight, sloppy stuff and you'll be wishing for lighter. Plus I don't believe their frames can take too much abuse. My buddy had a 650L and I took it for a spin. Nice bike, loved the e-start, but night and day compared to the 650R. He loved it though. He was also a bigger guy and the high seat and weight didn't bother him too much.
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There's a nice ride report on ADV where a guy rode all around the states for a few months. The 650L isn't a bad bike if your intentions are for road and dirt road stuff. Any tight, sloppy stuff and you'll be wishing for lighter. Plus I don't believe their frames can take too much abuse. My buddy had a 650L and I took it for a spin. Nice bike, loved the e-start, but night and day compared to the 650R. He loved it though. He was also a bigger guy and the high seat and weight didn't bother him too much.
I do a fair amount of road riding and gravel roads, but do hit the pipelines and power line right of ways too. Most of the trails in this area I have found are ATV trails, so not real tight like. The main thing is having to pick my way around the really sloppy muddy spots as the Heidenau Scout rear doesn't like to hook up real good in that stuff, not like a full on knobby. But it's holding up pretty good for the other riding I do. The frame should hold up good as it was originally designed for BAJA racing, so it should be able to take a fair amount of abuse. Honda won a lot of those races the first few years after this bike came out. I'm not trying to ride Motocross style with it anyways, so I don't think it will be a problem. If I experience any frame cracking or the like, I have 2 welding machines(and the other toys to go with them) and know how to use them to make it right again, and add reinforcing if needed. I even built my own rear rack to haul stuff, better and WAY cheaper than the store bought kinds. I also changed to a Fisher seat, much better than the stock one. I can stand to stay on this one for more than an hour at a time. I added a Clarke 4.7 in place of the stock tank as it was good for only maybe 100 miles if I got into reserve. With this seat I can stay on it for the 200+ mile range the bigger tank gives me.
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Buy an Aprilia SXV550. Smoke everything, even your wallet. That little POS (not really) gets like 75hp. That is superbike territory on HP to Weight. If not - real close.
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Get something you can grow into. In the street bike world, this is frowned upon, but it's your money and everything can be controlled with your right hand. 450X, TE, KTM6XX's (good cruisers, a little heavy, and buzzy with the LC4).

450s are the cream of the crop though. The service intervals might not be worth it to you. At least with the WR250X/DRZ/KTM600s the service intervals are spread pretty far apart. Even the 650R requires oil changes every 1k or so.

All that power sounds nice but at what sacrifice?
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Decide where you will spend most of your time (off-road, secondary roads, highway) then how much weight you need to carry. If you're going to be off-road most of the time then the smaller, lighter 250s are definitely better, if you will be on the highway step up to a 650. The DRZ is kind of in the middle but still doesn't like highway speeds much.

Budget for a Motorcycle Safety course (usually gets you an insurance break too) as well as proper riding gear before you worry about farkles. Also check Thumpertalk.com for more bike specific threads.

^ Well said!

Decide what kind of driving your going to do most of, then pick your bike!

I'm in the process of converting a DRZ400e into a street legal bike, should have it registered and ready to go in April! ADVrider and thumpertalk are your best friends!!

Couple things that turned me onto the DRZ's.
Price: They can be found cheap!
Reliability: Proven reliable, google it.
Aftermarket Parts: Its there, its everywhere!
Information: Everything you've thought about doing to this bike, its probably already been done! Search for it and you'll see!
Perfect size: Not too small, not too big.
The Masses: A lot of people ride DRZ's so if you happen to break a part or something on the trail, you may get lucky and have a DRZer pass by and have what you need..

One downside which has been stated is the weight. its not horrible but once you get on the tight single tracks its very noticeable. There a numerous ways to reduce the weight on this bike, see above in "Information." lighter battery, suspension, and rims can shave almost 50lbs off, which doesn;t sound like much but you'll feel the difference!
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