Just throwing it out there. It's a pretty good place. This went is only one day so it may not be worth driving real far to get there. But if anybody wants to go I can vouch its a challenging place. You can go stock if your not afraid of roughing up your truck( I did it 3 times last year). Later in the summer they have two day events and camping. May try to get a group out then. O BTW it's in windber PA.