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BenWA 07-13-2010 09:06 PM

Any Evans Creek beta?
 
Anybody here ever hit up Evans Creek in the NW corner of Rainier NP? I found a trail map on their website but I'm wondering if anyone here knows the trails pretty well, and know what could be done in a stock second gen double cab. Most of the videos I have seen on youtube of Evans have been of gnar, gnar, and more gnar -- mostly wheeled by highly modified rigs with solid front axles and huge amounts of lift.

Trails 520 and 519 seem like they might be doable in a stock Tacoma (they are designated as "more difficult"), but there are vids on youtube of a couple of the sections of 519 that look gnarrrrrly.

Anyone been there?

http://www.pnw4wda.org/trails/washington/evansmap2.jpg

ForeRunner 07-14-2010 12:01 PM

I won't take my truck there... yet. If you go in a stock rig expect damage. Been a few times riding shotgun and there are some tree's with a little extra paint on 'em, rocker panel mangling roots and stumps.

BenWA 07-14-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilted Chiken (Post 1964268)
Been a few times riding shotgun and there are some tree's with a little extra paint on 'em, rocker panel mangling roots and stumps.

Good insight.....thanks!

Digiratus 07-14-2010 10:30 PM

There's a lot of very cool trails at Evans Creek. On a clear day the views of Rainier are spectacular.

However, there isn't much there for a stock 2nd gen besides the main access "road" that runs through the middle of it. 519 and 520 can be very challenging even for built 1st gens because those trails are very tight and twisty.

If you are looking for something interesting, do a google search for the Naches trail. There are some sections of that trail that are doable for an unlifted Tacoma, specially if you have the elocker and aggressive tires.

The Naches trail is accessed off of Hwy 410 from FS70 which is just a few miles past Greenwater.

BenWA 07-14-2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Digiratus (Post 1966420)
There's a lot of very cool trails at Evans Creek. On a clear day the views of Rainier are spectacular.

However, there isn't much there for a stock 2nd gen besides the main access "road" that runs through the middle of it. 519 and 520 can be very challenging even for built 1st gens because those trails are very tight and twisty.

If you are looking for something interesting, do a google search for the Naches trail. There are some sections of that trail that are doable for an unlifted Tacoma, specially if you have the elocker and aggressive tires.

The Naches trail is accessed off of Hwy 410 from FS70 which is just a few miles past Greenwater.

Cool, thanks for the info. I have heard of Naches and have been meaning to check it out. Good to know that there are parts that might be doable for a stock.

ForeRunner 07-15-2010 07:46 AM

If I'm not mistaken, Naches Pass opened up today. Normally it is closed from November 15th-July 15th.

We have some maps of some areas on NWToys. Here is the maps page, Check us out, most of us there are somewhat familiar with the area.

BenWA 07-16-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilted Chiken (Post 1967164)
If I'm not mistaken, Naches Pass opened up today. Normally it is closed from November 15th-July 15th.

We have some maps of some areas on NWToys. Here is the maps page, Check us out, most of us there are somewhat familiar with the area.

Great info, thanks for the link. Will do some more research on that for sure.

BenWA 07-17-2010 02:24 PM

BAM!

Went down and checked out Naches. The lower (most difficult) section of the lower trail is closed, but we got thru the rest of the middle and upper parts of the lower trail:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...6_291821_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._8201513_n.jpg


This was really the only hairy part because the choke is so narrow for a second gen. There's a lot of jeep paint on that stump! p.s., the camera really flattens this out -- this is about a 45-50 percent grade (percent, not degrees):

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3007158_n.jpg


Once you get past the choke you are pretty much committed. Actually there was another part on a rocky knoll that was sketchball for a stock rig. There's like a 16" step down a bedrock ledge/chunk at the apex of the knoll and i thought i was gonna bottom for sure. Careful line picking by my spotter got us thru it (no pix -- too busy puckering)

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2715632_n.jpg


Random blown-out culvert obstacle on one of the side access roads.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2426740_n.jpg

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http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._4833116_n.jpg


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._5841523_n.jpg


My buddy scouted the trails first with his rig to make sure I could run it -- 1954 Jeep M36-A1 -- that little bugger goes places!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._6557772_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._6582236_n.jpg

Digiratus 07-17-2010 10:14 PM

Looks like you guys had a good time. Glad to hear your Tacoma took care of you.

Did you guys stop where the trail crosses FS70 or go clear across to the east side where the trail crosses FS19? The pics look like they are all from the portions of the trail west of FS70 is why I ask.

BenWA 07-17-2010 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Digiratus (Post 1976170)
Looks like you guys had a good time. Glad to hear your Tacoma took care of you.

Did you guys stop where the trail crosses FS70 or go clear across to the east side where the trail crosses FS19? The pics look like they are all from the portions of the trail west of FS70 is why I ask.

We just did a short ~3 or so mile segment of the lower naches trail. We started where it says "alternate entry" on the map that Kilted linked to, and ended where it says "10.8 miles from hwy 410". I assume FS19 is way farther east somewhere?


p.s., the mileages on that map are WAY off.

Digiratus 07-18-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BenWA (Post 1976197)
We just did a short ~3 or so mile segment of the lower naches trail. We started where it says "alternate entry" on the map that Kilted linked to, and ended where it says "10.8 miles from hwy 410". I assume FS19 is way farther east somewhere?


p.s., the mileages on that map are WAY off.

Thats cool. Highly recommend trying the rest of it over to the east side.. You got a small taste of this trail by doing that very beginning section. There is a lot more to it.

btw: there will be several of us that will doing the whole trail on the first Sat in Aug. At least that is the plan right now. If you are interested in joining us, you are certainly welcome.

ForeRunner 07-18-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Digiratus (Post 1976395)
Thats cool. Highly recommend trying the rest of it over to the east side.. You got a small taste of this trail by doing that very beginning section. There is a lot more to it.

btw: there will be several of us that will doing the whole trail on the first Sat in Aug. At least that is the plan right now. If you are interested in joining us, you are certainly welcome.

First Sat in August? I might be game for that. Camping overnight or making the run in one day?

BenWA 07-18-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Digiratus (Post 1976395)
Thats cool. Highly recommend trying the rest of it over to the east side.. You got a small taste of this trail by doing that very beginning section. There is a lot more to it.

btw: there will be several of us that will doing the whole trail on the first Sat in Aug. At least that is the plan right now. If you are interested in joining us, you are certainly welcome.

I'd love to join you guys, if you feel pretty confident that I could get thru everything with the stock setup. I don't have sliders or any undercarriage protection, so that is my main concern -- I definitely wouldn't want to hold you guys back if there are any sections that I might struggle on. But if you think it could be done stock without too much fuss, then count me in! :)

Digiratus 07-18-2010 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilted Chiken (Post 1976988)
First Sat in August? I might be game for that. Camping overnight or making the run in one day?

Planning on Sat Aug.7th. We have talked about camping somewhere along the little naches river. There are a lot of places as well as organized campgrounds in that area. If we did that, we'd probably run the Ravens Roost trail in the morning before heading back.

Digiratus 07-18-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BenWA (Post 1976994)
I'd love to join you guys, if you feel pretty confident that I could get thru everything with the stock setup. I don't have sliders or any undercarriage protection, so that is my main concern -- I definitely wouldn't want to hold you guys back if there are any sections that I might struggle on. But if you think it could be done stock without too much fuss, then count me in! :)

Well, I haven't run this trail in a couple of years. I've heard its a lot tamer than it used to be. Can't really know until we get there though. It also depends on how wet it is. I'll bet right now there's hardly any mud at all but that can change between now and then. It definately gets more challanging the wetter it is.

Is your rig equipped with the e-locker rear diff? What kind of tires you running?

BenWA 07-18-2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Digiratus (Post 1978277)
Is your rig equipped with the e-locker rear diff? What kind of tires you running?

Yeah, I have a locker and I'm running stock Rugged Trails. I'm not so concerned about mud/traction as I am about bottoming out on hard protrusions and scraping up my sides thru narrow chokes between rocks/trees. The two tricky parts on the lower naches section that I did (that I described in my photo post above) were pretty close to my truck's limits, so if there's a lot more of the same on the main trail it might be questionable. I'm all for trying, as long as I can get recovered by another vehicle without serious carnage! :o

Digiratus 07-19-2010 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BenWA (Post 1979021)
Yeah, I have a locker and I'm running stock Rugged Trails. I'm not so concerned about mud/traction as I am about bottoming out on hard protrusions and scraping up my sides thru narrow chokes between rocks/trees. The two tricky parts on the lower naches section that I did (that I described in my photo post above) were pretty close to my truck's limits, so if there's a lot more of the same on the main trail it might be questionable. I'm all for trying, as long as I can get recovered by another vehicle without serious carnage! :o

The first time I ran the Naches trail, I was pretty much stock except for tires. Had 31" bfg muds. The tires made it possible. Stock Tacomas have plenty a grond clearance if you take it slow. A lack of traction, either because of loose dirt or slippery, muddy conditions can cause the use of too much speed, getting you into trouble. Despite the name, rugged trails are not a very good off-road tire. Airing them down significantly will help in dry conditions but if its muddy they will load up very quickly and cause a loss of traction.

As for narrow, off-camber spots, there will be some more of those. Your 2nd gen being wider than a 1st gen is going to be vulnerable in those situations.

BenWA 07-19-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Digiratus (Post 1979157)
The first time I ran the Naches trail, I was pretty much stock except for tires. Had 31" bfg muds. The tires made it possible. Stock Tacomas have plenty a grond clearance if you take it slow. A lack of traction, either because of loose dirt or slippery, muddy conditions can cause the use of too much speed, getting you into trouble. Despite the name, rugged trails are not a very good off-road tire. Airing them down significantly will help in dry conditions but if its muddy they will load up very quickly and cause a loss of traction.

As for narrow, off-camber spots, there will be some more of those. Your 2nd gen being wider than a 1st gen is going to be vulnerable in those situations.

Good insight, thanks. I may try running the trail on my dirt bike this weekend to check out conditions and get the jist of the trickier sections.

ForeRunner 07-20-2010 10:40 AM

August 7th is the tenative date then?

I think I can grab a few folks from NWToys to tag along.

I've never been so I'll follow along.

Who has what in regards to gear?

I have a 2003 Tacoma, ARB, Winch, Demello rear bumber w/ recovery points, slight lift, BFG A/T's CB, snatch strap, tree protector, jumper cables, clevis's and various other wheeling gear items.

On a side note, I'll have my son with me I would ask that there be no drinking of alcoholc beverages.

all.on.black 07-20-2010 02:24 PM

If you're worried about damage I'd stay away from Evans. It's very tight and easy to slide around into trees.

As a side note, I'd love to go to Naches so let me know when you have a date set in stone.


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