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Old 09-06-2011, 03:34 PM   #101
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A sharp rock (?) put a hole in it... The truck/ tires has about 13,000 miles on it... so pretty new still.
Gravel put several holes in my Rugged Fails thanks to small rocks... I have since moved on to Goodyear Wrangler MT/R (w/Kevlar baloney), and after about 1,000 miles, I have already managed to penetrate them with a small piece of gravel.
The puncture was in the tread, not the sidewall, but regardless, tires, even the "rugged" ones, aren't all that strong.

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Before you "always air down": Have you tried climbing using the lockers, or do you also have to air down even with lockers?
Thank you.
I recently tried a steep, prolonged, hill climb, where the surface was entirely exposed rock. I made several attempts, and barely made it 20 of the ~100 feet up the climb. After airing down from 40 to 18psi, it climbed right up with zero difficulty.

PS: Tried with and without locker/a-trac, in varying combinations, didn't change a thing until I lowered the tire pressure.
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Gravel put several holes in my Rugged Fails thanks to small rocks... I have since moved on to Goodyear Wrangler MT/R (w/Kevlar baloney), and after about 1,000 miles, I have already managed to penetrate them with a small piece of gravel.
The puncture was in the tread, not the sidewall, but regardless, tires, even the "rugged" ones, aren't all that strong.



I recently tried a steep, prolonged, hill climb, where the surface was entirely exposed rock. I made several attempts, and barely made it 20 of the ~100 feet up the climb. After airing down from 40 to 18psi, it climbed right up with zero difficulty.

PS: Tried with and without locker/a-trac, in varying combinations, didn't change a thing until I lowered the tire pressure.
Thanks for that... Air pressure is a fantastic way to increase traction!
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I used to air down until I got nitrogen, haven't gone off-roading in a looonnnngg time.
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My tires contain mostly nitrogen, too (78%)!
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Airing down definitely helps. Me and another guy took my truck on the beach with the tires at ~7.5 lbs up front and ~5 lbs in the back. It was great. cruised the beach for probably a couple miles. Just have to be careful and not do anything stupid * especially with the tires that low, don't want to pop a bead * Didn't need 4wd *didn't have it even if we did *.
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Different kinds of sand, weather (temp., humidity), and tire type all will determin if or how much needs to be deflated or if 4WD is needed is comfortably drive in sand.
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I used to air down until I got nitrogen, haven't gone off-roading in a looonnnngg time.
you realize that their is already nitrogen in the air we breath. unless you r race car having nitrogen in doesnt do anything.
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you realize that their is already nitrogen in the air we breath. unless you r race car having nitrogen in doesnt do anything.
78% of our air is Nitrogen, in fact!
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78% of our air is Nitrogen, in fact!
yep so getting your air filled up by costco or other tire places doesnt help. So you shouldnt be affraid to air down.
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I've been wanting to go down there for a while. Specially to Coco's Corner, ever since I saw "Dust To Glory."
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I've been wanting to go down there for a while. Specially to Coco's Corner, ever since I saw "Dust To Glory."
In 2001:


That's Coco next to my daughter in the middle.

In 2005:




Coco and my new girlfriend (who married me 3 1/2 years later) as she signs his guestbook.

2006:


Josh (Stewarts Raceworks Luxury PreRunner fame) and Elizabeth with Coco.


I get in the photo on the far right.


Coco shows off his guestbooks where I have entered my Got Baja sticker or cards in the past.



Sometime after this 2006 trip, Coco's other leg was removed and many Off Roaders have helped and besides his pickup with sticks so he can drive without legs, he has a quad to get around on his Corner.

In 2010, we stopped by and Coco was in Ensenada getting medical treatment:






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I live in AZ and am new to trucks and being off road. My wife got my 2wd stuck in the sand when we went shooting. You would figure we know how to drive in sand living here our entire lives, nope!

I remember reading this thread and thanks to the tips, I was able to drive right out with lowering the PSI in my tires. (had to shovel a little in front of the rear tires but still, got myself out!).

So thanks.. I'd of been stuck there for a long time or till someone found us if it wasn't for your post.
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Great to hear... being stuck in the desert is not much fun!

In Baja, many of the fisherman have only 2WD trucks, and drive down the beach to get their nets... with bald, deflated tires... and when they park, they point their truck down the slope so getting momentum to drive on, isn't a problem.

Thanks for the report!
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Smile That isn't why people use nitrogen

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yep so getting your air filled up by costco or other tire places doesnt help. So you shouldnt be affraid to air down.
The only reason you would use nitrogen is because it doesn't have any moisture in it. When you fill a tire with a compressor, it pumps any humidity in the air into the tire. Not a big issue in Vegas, where I live, or anywhere in the southwest, but I remember pulling tires off rims in Georgia and South Carolina that had 2 or 3 cups, not ounces of water in them. This water is pumped in through the valve stem when you fill the tires, and then becomes an issue later because it will screw up a TPMS sensor, or possibly freeze inside the tire. Aircraft use nitrogen because it doesn't have any moisture in it. An aircraft tire goes from stationary to 160MPH in a second or two, gets REALLY REALLY hot, and if there is water in the tire, the water turns to steam, possibly blowing the tire. God help you if you are standing in the wrong place when it blows. Not a pretty sight. But it isn't an issue on our trucks. I was told that it cut down on the dry rot on the tire, because it is supposed to be more "pure" than just using air, but I think this was BS from a tire tech who wanted to charge my $60 to use it in my tires.
Just my $0.02
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Good explanation Darth!
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Art totally built that off road motorhome and converted it to 4WD with front and rear ARB lockers, all himself... He and his motorhome are amazing! Art joined TW following our Mision Santa Maria run...

Here he is climbing the Widowmaker, 5 weeks before the beach trip:




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Indeed he does... He sold this one and built an even BIGGER 4WD motorhome... See it in my July, 2011 Baja trip report.

The tow strap you see behind the one above was used to pull a TACOMA up the Widowmaker (it had blown the rear differential).
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Oh, south of Coco's my right/ rear BFG Rugged Trail, FAILED!
A sharp rock (?) put a hole in it... The truck/ tires has about 13,000 miles on it... so pretty new still.

I was able to plug the hole with two plugs, refill and drive the remaining 110 miles to El Rosario where I had a patch put in it. I guess they do deserve the name 'Rugged Fails'? LOL
I dont like my tiers ethier there to soft and dont last long. I had some dunlops which are usually soft tits but they lasted longer than these rugged fails! Going bfg all terri. For my next set of tires. I have asked allot of people, they love em.
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I went with HANKOOK DYNAPRO ATM (265/75-16) at 20,000 miles on the Rugged Trails.
They have been a great tire, specially in snow, sand, and quiet on the highway... much cheaper than BFG All Terrain TAs, too. I have had them for almost 25,000 miles now... and they appear to be just half worn... so I might get 50,000 miles out of them? That would be more miles than any tire I have had on my three Tacomas (Cooper STT & ATR, Toyo Open Country AT, BFG Rugged Trail TA, Futura Dakota)
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