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Old 10-27-2011, 04:00 PM   #1
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winch choices for the arb bull bar besides warn?

the title say's it all.

i'm interested in purchasing a nice quality winch for my truck but, on a budget something comparable to a warn m8000.

i want to run synthetic line and a hawse fairlead on my arb bull bar if not now i would at least like the ability to upgrade in the future. the derlin rollers seem to be an option but if i switched over to synthetic line i would want the hawse fairleed. i know of one company that supposedly makes a hawse fairlead that will work on a arb sleeoffroad.com their off set fair lead supposedly works.

from what i gather the warn m8000 is just going to be a solid choice and in my price range but, it does not come with synthetic line lol. it's steel cable and a roller fairlead. either way arb is not very helpful in all of this as they just recommend warn and thats it.

i'm wanting to know what options i have for winches meaning what will bolt directly onto the arb with out needing modify the bumper in any way. i like the warn m8000 but it's seems to be a bit pricey when compared to the others.

any options or advice would be a big help
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Jebus man, now a winch?!?! That truck's going to be a tank by the time you're done!

So... when are you getting under armor and a rear plate bumper?
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I dunno about south of the 49th parallel, but I got my 10,000lb LP Superwinch for $400 moosebucks. I had to get the Solenoid relocation kit (Extra $50) to mount it elsewhere cause it won't fit with it on.

For the love of god...have two people when you try to put it on and take the bumper off.

I did it by myself with the bumper on, and I just about took my fucking thumb off. Literally.
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I had the smittybilt XC8000 on my JK Unlimited and used it several time in the 12 months I owned the JKU. Never had a problem with it. I went with it for the price...299.00 for how often I would really be using it.

I would have purchased it again for my Undercover Winch Mount but it would not fit..too big so I went Warn.
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i like the super winches a lot in another thread mjp recks them as do a few other members with very good luck. i don't know if they will work on the arb with out having to modify the bumper.

edit lol crazy i can't remove the bumper lol i used red lock tight on the bolts like crazy if i drop the arb rock guard thing is it possible to get it in that way?

and besides it needing the solenoid moved which i planned on doing any way did it just bolt on in the holes already in the bumper?

the m8000 is the one i think i'm going with that and the wireless controller then at a later date i'm going to get high quality snatch block sand tracs exhaust jack high lift and some accessories various other recovery gear.

the superwinch and the warn i really like just trying to decide on which one lol. which one out of the 2 is the better winch meaning better quality and reliability this is not something i'm going to use like everyday or other wise i would buy accordingly. i do want something that will be there when i need it however and work with out a hitch
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Mine bolted straight up.
I have pics but they're on my other phone. Let me see if I can find them.

Nope. They're on the phone not my email. Sorry mang.
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Jebus man, now a winch?!?! That truck's going to be a tank by the time you're done!

So... when are you getting under armor and a rear plate bumper?
thanks! soon i hope i was waiting for arb to release their rear bumper for the 2nd gen tacoma but, i had called them today while trying to search out the winch stuff and i had asked again they told me it was in australia and was being completely redone!

they had the fucking thing in oregon like a full year ago doing test fittings then they sent the thing back for another whole year to idk whack off lol. those drunk australians who knows what the hell they are doing


sliders and rear bumper are def next on my list so is full under armor from ato fuck that stupid all pro skid i have now lol i want the real heavy duty shit under my truck.
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Mine bolted straight up.
I have pics but they're on my other phone. Let me see if I can find them.

Nope. They're on the phone not my email. Sorry mang.
thats cool bud thank you so much for answering the thread now i have an idea on which way i can go so that in itself makes a big difference

the other accessories to go along with the winch are pricey to jesus warn's medium duty kit is like 400 bucks

i'm looking at piecing together a warn arb set up with high end stuff as i go along to have a complete recovery set-up.
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Only thing with Superwinch is that the fairlead for wire cable doesn't match up. But as you said, you're going synthetic with a hawse so that's pretty much negligible.
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alright, update to original question i had asked of which hawse style fairlead would work properly with the recessed hole thats found in the arb bull bar. i originally thought the hell with it and i would run the steel line for a time until i felt the need to change it over but, more on that later lol.

i talked to thor over at viking off road and he suggested his offset fairlead its apparently 1.5 inches thick so that would still leave me with the problem of contacting the sides of the bumper on anything more than a 15 degree pull.

so to eliminate this i'm going to have a metal fab shop around me make a spacer for the viking's offset fairlead out of aluminum then take all the sharp edges off and coat it in bedliner. then i plan on getting new grade 5 or higher bolts that are long enough to properly thread into the little square nuts that are found on the m8000's feet. hopefully this will give me a little more clearance for the more cut prone synthetic line that i need in order to run a hawse style fairlead on the arb.

i will update this thread with pictures and specs for the offset fairlead and the spacer when i get everything back on the truck and its looking and performing correctly.

on a different note i decided to go with a synthetic line from viking as well i'm going to lose 25 feet in overall lenght but i'm going with their 3/8th thick tube thimble and hook combo black synthetic rope in 75 feet it hopefully should be a lot easier to work with compared to the steel rope thats currently on my winch. the hook is way nicer as well no more sharp little cotter pins to stab myself with and no more stupid winch isolator lol.

i have tried stretching the wire rope according to warns instructions a few times and even pulled out a stuck kid in the rain few weeks ago and it still has developed no memory whatsoever lol as soon as i back off of it it just poofs out on the drum

needles to say so far i'm not liking the steel rope when combined with the arb. the enclosed nature of the arb is excellent to protect the winch but, leaves no where to actually see where and how the wire is spooling back in which kinda sucks.

so i intend on solving these shortcomings with out resorting to the derlin rollers as they can still be prone to pinch the synthetic ropes on angled pulls.

any thoughts concerns or experience with this issue or anything concerning what i said or plan to do would be appreciated. as this has to my knowledge not been attempted with the addition of the spacer to allow for more clearance.
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good god man, you never make things easy on yourself I'm sorry to say that, but there's sooo much stuff to answer at once!

Where to begin?

First off, this is what I usually say between SuperWinch and WARN

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I believe that more frequent use or higher dependency comes down to Superwinch and WARN, since all reviews I've seen place these two on the top. WARN has a legendary history and an unshakable following, and I don't need to say more than that -the name speaks for itself. Superwinch, while the underdog, is an equal competitor. It is hailed by Bill Burke, proven in race conditions, and carries an incredible feature list for the price. They have probably the best solenoids in the industry, and many models are shipped with synthetic rope, which they were specifically designed to use. All that, and they usually cost the same or less than a WARN with steel cable.
With either of these two brands, you will have the confidence that you bought the best money can buy. Of course, your pocketbook will feel the same way

This is what I faced, and I came down to buying a WARN 9.5XP. I considered that, when I'm not with my offroad club, I'm often the one with the most gear, and will most likely be the only one with a winch. Additionally, I haven't learned to keep myself out of trouble: when I'm all by myself, out of options in the middle of nowhere, it's dark as hell and I'm cold and wet, I don't want to have to worry. I most definitely over-purchased, but I had the funds and I will most likely have the winch until I'm too old to drive anymore.
It was a tough call between this and Superwinch, but the final deciding factor was that WARN had a factory in Clackamas, which was 30 minutes from my house. I've since moved to Olympia... and WARN is now 1 hour away in Kent. I'm never too far from a repair facility, should I need it.


I have recently heard of a value-line of WARN winches, which may be interesting to research. If they are competitively priced and carry the WARN warranty, I think it's a no-brainer over the economy-level winches.

Please make sure to buy a winch capable of your vehicle. Many of the 2nd-gen trucks are carrying underpowered winches. Weigh your vehicle with you in it and all your gear, multiply by 1.5, make sure the winch can handle that.

Consider that the weight of a winch will most likely mean an upgrade to your front suspension! This is not only to correct stance, but to keep the vehicle safe
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the enclosed nature of the arb is excellent to protect the winch but, leaves no where to actually see where and how the wire is spooling back in which kinda sucks
This is the problem with the ARB bumper. Sorry, I do sympathize

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When you spooled back up, did you do it under tension? What I mean by tension is that you pretty much need to winch yourself all the way in. WARN suggests using a tree or a telephone pole. The last few feet can be done by hand. Note that proper care dictates that you respool about once a month under regular use (I don't think I qualify for that, so I just do it when I can)

Good choice on 75 feet. Consider that most stuck situations won't require enormous lengths of winchline, and you lose winch strength with the more that's spooled on. If you need more length, get a winchline extension.

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i can't remove the bumper lol i used red lock tight on the bolts like crazy
You are going to have to saw it off if you ever want to remove it. This one may haunt you one day. In the future, blue loctite is strong enough. Nylon lock nuts, shakeproof washers, etc., are usually all you need

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i intend on solving these shortcomings with out resorting to the derlin rollers as they can still be prone to pinch the synthetic ropes on angled pulls.
I think this is the heart of your problems.

First, steel line can only be used with metal roller fairleads. They will cause too much friction and cut up a Hawse, and will go through Delrin even faster. I'm assuming you already know all that.

Hawse fairleads are primarily for looks (I agree they look cool as hell), and it's a marketing gimmick that you need this for synthetic lines. They are actually somewhat detrimental because the friction will heat your line. While it isn't enough to probably cause immediate failure, it's slowly wearing down the integrity of your rope.

I say it's a marketing gimmick because everyone will tell you about pinching the line. The simple answer is that if you are pulling at that angle, you are doing something very rare and very wrong. At that angle, you are causing immense stress on your winch, no matter the setup you have. Your stuck assessment should tell you it's time to re-position the vehicle or the recovery point. This can usually be achieved with a pulley block. In the case that you absolutely have no other option, the synthetic line has more strength than you give it credit, and the roller has less of a chance of pinching than you may suspect. Furthermore, the problem is equal even if you were using wire rope. Something has to give - your roller or your rope - and I'd much rather have synthetic line break than wire.

Another misconception is that rollers will damage synthetic rope. This is usually from people who have damaged rollers from previously using wire on them, to which I say DUH! Burrs are going to do that, even if you had burrs on a Hawse! the important thing is to inspect your equipment for damage and take proper care.
Roller fairleads are great with synthetic line because it eliminates friction. Pure and simple.

Delrin rollers are even better since you have no problem with burrs (delrin is too soft to damage the line), and it lowers weight. However, the cost is quite high, and frankly, not worth it.

Based on your description of the bumper, it was meant for the extra size of the roller fairlead. I would go with this route and not worry about creating extra unnecessary work for yourself.
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The M8000 now comes with synthetic. Either way, for the money it's hard to beat and made in USA. And works perfectly with the ARB bumper. Add the wireless remote and you're GTG.

Mine has served me well going on 7 years.

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I have had experience with other winches, and they have all let me down. except the warn. it also really depends on how you treat it. my dad lies to do heavy winching non stop, for minutes on end. this will fry any winch.... im careful to let it cool down intermittently. Ive put my warn winches through some serious shit.

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The M8000 now comes with synthetic. Either way, for the money it's hard to beat and made in USA. And works perfectly with the ARB bumper. Add the wireless remote and you're GTG.

Mine has served me well going on 7 years.

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Where did you get the rubber 'donut' that sits behind the safety thimble? I'd be interested in getting one of those
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A propane torch will heat that red loctite up enough that you can get it off. You should be able to push the winch up through the splash guard. I installed mine that way.

Get yourself a yarding block here http://allenmachineco.com/pages/data/mathan-5.htm

a tree strap from favorite company, a 20' strap and a 30' strap, and maybe a bungie, a few shackles

fibgerglass waffle boards or smittybilt element ramps, a hi lift, and a shovel and you're ready to go
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Where did you get the rubber 'donut' that sits behind the safety thimble? I'd be interested in getting one of those
similar
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Get yourself a yarding block here http://allenmachineco.com/pages/data/mathan-5.htm
Those aren't strong enough, you want a break strength of about double that. Consider these that have a break strength of 15+ tons.

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Old 01-15-2012, 04:58 PM   #19
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Those aren't strong enough, you want a break strength of about double that. Consider these that have a break strength of 15+ tons.

http://www.winchline.com/snatch-blocks.html
They're more than enough. Been hashed out on Expo and ih8mud.

These snatch blocks will not be the weakest link. The only downside is they're very heavy. No way I'd pay ridiculous prices for ARBs shit, even if they are nice offroad bling.

BTW these are the same as Warns snatch blocks.

http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151551
http://www.warn.com/truck/accessorie...h_blocks.shtml
http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...K-snatch-block!!!
http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...ks-Great-Price
http://forum.ih8mud.com/winching-rec...locks-one.html
http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...a-10-000-Winch
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