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Old 02-11-2012, 09:02 PM   #101
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It will only make them better! DEFLATE!
It will help but won't work the same as a proper traction aid. Just to clarify.
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Waffle boards are cheaper. So are smittybilt element ramps.
Wow I didn't know smittybilt made them too, I searched for others and came up with nothing but waffle board and maxtrax. I like these better than the waffle boards. I'll definitely be going to smittybilt on these being half the price as maxtrax.
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triple edit: if it were truly a life/death situation or a situation where you didn't give a fuck about thrashing your trucks fenders you could lash sections of logs to your tires just assess to see if you'll lodge the log in your wheel well and make the situation worse
I have done this Stick the branches in the rims
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I'm not one to trust plywood to hold my truck up in a hole...not about half-assing things, especially when it can land me stranded in the middle of no where...
I didn't know they could support the weight of your vehicle over a hole. When I lived in Hawaii I used to keep a piece of plywood with non skid on it to help people with cars get off the beach. Worked every time. I wouldn't drive it over a hole though. But it works great to add a platform to get some speed over.
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I didn't know they could support the weight of your vehicle over a hole. When I lived in Hawaii I used to keep a piece of plywood with non skid on it to help people with cars get off the beach. Worked every time. I wouldn't drive it over a hole though. But it works great to add a platform to get some speed over.
I can see that on a beach, and it is a good idea, but the maxtrax and the smittybilt I just read up on are able to hold from 7-8k lbs. There are pics and videos of people using them as ramps to get on top of some obstacles which could come in handy on the trail also...
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:47 AM   #108
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Been a Ham most of my life. In this situation, I don't believe either radio service offers a truly reliable advantage over the other. No desire to install a larger HF ham radio setup in my truck, so that basically leaves VHF/UHF & repeaters. Since most ham repeaters are inactive (dead) much of the day or night, getting someone to actually respond could be a significant challenge, even if I were lucky enough to find and hit a repeater.

While CB certainly has less range compared to ham repeaters, that's somewhat offset by the significantly higher number of CB users. At the same time, that less range is somewhat offset by atmospheric skip often extending that range. As I said, neither option is entirely reliable in this situation, but CB still has the added benefit of potentially communicating with far more on the highway and within the community.
that's too bad that there aren't many active repeaters in your neck of the woods. im lucky enough to have a large choice of active round the clock repeaters i can hit, and most i can hit with either of my hand-helds..doesn't matter where im at or what trail that im on.

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i would estimate that most of the bigger 4x4 clubs in SoCal are all ditching CB radios and are all moving up to MARS/CAP modded 2meters, the Yaesu 2800/2900 is very popular. and also the Wouxun hand held is very popular due the the price and ease of performing the mod. i haven't used my CB radio on the trail with in the last year and a half or so.
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Okay, guys. Based on your recommendations, this is what I finally purchased..

• Curt Front Hitch (9000-lb pull cap, w/hitch mount for winch)
• Smittybilt XRC 8 Competition-Series Winch (8000-lb single line cap, synthetic rope)
• 100-ft Extra Synthetic Rope
• Snatch Block (17,600-lbs cap)
• Choker Chain
• D-Rings, Shackles, Hooks, Tree Saver, etc
• Traction Pads (4)
• Hi-Lift Jack (w/Lift-Mate, Off-Road Base, etc)
• 30-ft Recovery Strap (20000-lb cap)
• Folding Shovel (already have an axe)
• Mechanics Tool Set (basic set inc. wrenches, sockets, bag, etc)
• Uniden Bearcat 880 CB Radio (w/power mic, etc) (selected because of compact design)
• Wilson 2000 antenna (mount, coax, etc) (will be mounted in the center of my bed toolbox)
• Escort Solo S3 Cordless Radar Detector (don't want to get caught speeding on some off-road trail )

So what am I missing? Now that I've added the winch (you guys talked me into it), I may return the somewhat redundant Hi-Lift Jack. While the jack could obviously serve as a backup, it's also more to lug around and maintain.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:21 AM   #110
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There are places your winch won't be able to help without a land anchor and theres also times your winch might fail you. A hi-lift is still a useful tool. It can also be used along with a winch. Just because you have a winch doesn't mean you shouldn't try to assist it by clearing away obstacles or lifting your mired vehicle and placing things under the tires to make winching easier. (or if your winch is angled into a hole/buried and you can't use it)

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/

Make sure you have delrin rollers with that syn line.

Folding shovels are nice but you'll be wanting a nice sized t-handled shovel the first time you're really stuck. I'm also fond of a bow saw along side with an axe.

If you're going to carry all that you may as well look into a small compressor like the mv50, some plugs, some valve stem cores, and the tools.

Duct tape, electrical tape, zip ties, bailing wire, heavy leather gloves.

Also, seal up the solenoid on that XRC8 of yours.




Don't forget a first aid kit and fire extinguisher.
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I have the Wilson 2000 its a good antenna.. mount it at the back of your bed away from the cab because it reflects off the cab too much and you'll be able to hear and talk better...also invest in a 2 peel amp you'll triple your talking radius...also get your radio peaked and tuned
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I have the Wilson 2000 its a good antenna.. mount it at the back of your bed away from the cab because it reflects off the cab too much and you'll be able to hear and talk better...also invest in a 2 peel amp you'll triple your talking radius...also get your radio peaked and tuned
Makes no sense, if the OP is a licensed HAM operater why not install a nice mobile unit . With just a basic 65watt unit he can push out a signal in simplex mode a gazzillionbillion times farther then any CB can. Even a 5watt hand-held unit will have far greater range then a CB. I have my mobile 2meter Radio plus two hand-held units always with me while on the trail...
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Okay, guys. Based on your recommendations, this is what I finally purchased..

• Curt Front Hitch (9000-lb pull cap, w/hitch mount for winch)
• Smittybilt XRC 8 Competition-Series Winch (8000-lb single line cap, synthetic rope)
• 100-ft Extra Synthetic Rope
• Snatch Block (17,600-lbs cap)
• Choker Chain
• D-Rings, Shackles, Hooks, Tree Saver, etc
• Traction Pads (4)
• Hi-Lift Jack (w/Lift-Mate, Off-Road Base, etc)
• 30-ft Recovery Strap (20000-lb cap)
• Folding Shovel (already have an axe)
• Mechanics Tool Set (basic set inc. wrenches, sockets, bag, etc)
• Uniden Bearcat 880 CB Radio (w/power mic, etc) (selected because of compact design)
• Wilson 2000 antenna (mount, coax, etc) (will be mounted in the center of my bed toolbox)
• Escort Solo S3 Cordless Radar Detector (don't want to get caught speeding on some off-road trail )

So what am I missing? Now that I've added the winch (you guys talked me into it), I may return the somewhat redundant Hi-Lift Jack. While the jack could obviously serve as a backup, it's also more to lug around and maintain.
i would keep the hi-lift, can be usefull in other ways other then just a jack, such as a come-a-long..works really well for that. i have been in vehicle recoveries where a hi-lift was used just as much as a winch during the recovery process...

also, folding shovels suck! they always end up breaking. i carry a small 3.5' long shovel i bought from the gardening dept at Walmart years ago and it's still serving me well after all these years, it was only $7.95 at the time.

i would also recemmond a folding saw such as a Sven Saw or similar.
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Always good info, Max. Second thoughts about the Hi-Lift is mainly due to budget constraints (my wallet is flat smoking). Anyway, already have a 12v compressor, first aid kit, and fire extinguisher, with duct tape, electrical tape, zip ties, and similar already heading for the soon-to-arrive tool bag. Will seriously consider the remainder.

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(snip) invest in a 2 peel amp you'll triple your talking radius...also get your radio peaked and tuned.
Never really felt a need to use linears or modified radios. I'm usually quite satisfied with the range of a well installed base or mobile and have no desire to subject others to an over-modulated radio. Those are personal preferences, of course, not a criticism of those with other ideas.

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Makes no sense, if the OP is a licensed HAM operater why not install .. (snip)
Already explained (in message #51) why CB was selected over Ham radio. Further, since 2-meters is even more line-of-sight oriented, I certainly haven't found that a 2-meter mobile, in simplex or any other mode, transmits all that much further than a CB. Regardless, the goal here is relatively local, not long range, communications. If the latter were the primary intent, I'd clearly choose HF over 2-meters.

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(snip) also, folding shovels suck! (snip)
LOL. Running out of allocated space, so the folding shovel will have to do. Besides, my traction devices can be used for digging as well. As for the saw, I'll be adding a couple of flexible cable saws I'm well familiar with.

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........since 2-meters is even more line-of-sight oriented, I certainly haven't found that a 2-meter mobile, in simplex or any other mode, transmits all that much further than a CB.

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this is how i know that you are not an experinced HAM operater, maybe not even one at all. wow!
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Never really felt a need to use linears or modified radios. I'm usually quite satisfied with the range of a well installed base or mobile and have no desire to subject others to an over-modulated radio. Those are personal preferences, of course, not a criticism of those with other ideas.

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Hey man, I understand.. It's all about what your happy with.. I just know I tripled my output with a 2 peel and today I upgraded to a steel whip, but you may have a larger community and don't need all the range.. We have a large community but we seem to all be at least 8 miles apart (some closer here and there)
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this is how i know that you are not an experinced HAM operater, maybe not even one at all. wow!
Oh, good grief. This is the main reason why I've mostly lost interest in ham radio. Will rarely find a more opinionated, close-minded, group. I'm not here to debate the worthiness or capabilities of one radio service over another, nor present or prove my credentials. If you want the former, MonkeyProof, go to the ham radio forums. You'll certainly find plenty of that there, most agreeing with you since dissent is routinely criticized and belittled. As for the latter, too bad. Anyway, I've made my choice (based on my experiences here), so it's done. Obviously not going to change that just because you disagree.
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Hey man, I understand.. It's all about what your happy with.. (snip)
Thanks for your general courtesy and understanding. Most of the off-road areas I'll be visiting will likely be within range of a cell phone tower or at least one or two active CB'ers. At the same time, nearby lakes and rivers are quite popular, so someone will likely be within range of the marine radio on the boat. Between those three (cell phone, CB, & marine radio), I'll rarely be entirely without communications - despite planning for the worst without that.
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