Mike "Wuzzy121". Rest in peace, brother

Go Back   Tacoma World Forums > Tacoma Discussion > Off-Roading & Trails

Notices

Recovery Formula...

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-01-2012, 08:22 AM   #41
Big tars, little/no bed.
NwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shedNwiTACO is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Name: Mark
Joined: May 2009, #17416
Location: Indiana
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,865
NwiTACO's Tacoma Gallery
Recent recovery from this weekend:

  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2012, 10:16 AM   #42
Dan
YotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shedYotaDan is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
YotaDan's Avatar
Name: Dan
Joined: Apr 2009, #15461
Location: Oregon
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,711
YotaDan's Tacoma Gallery
Nice. Looks like some fun trails.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2012, 10:34 PM   #44
Senior Member
sde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant futuresde780 has a brilliant future
Joined: Aug 2012, #84393
Gender: Male
Posts: 181
sde780's Tacoma Gallery
In the first section of your post, a vehicle's weight is the force perpendicular to the ground no? Since you're on a hill, "Grade Resistance" will not be the same as the vehicles weight, because the hill is not perpendicular to the ground. As such, the steeper the hill, the closer the resistance approaches the vehicle's weight.

At least that's how I understood it from my physics classes, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2012, 02:17 PM   #45
VA6DCO
IgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
IgnorantlyAlberta's Avatar
Name: David
Joined: Apr 2012, #77432
Location: edmonton
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
IgnorantlyAlberta's Tacoma Gallery
Well Im glad someone out there takes the time to conduct such an equation before begining a recovery. I have never had to deal with some of the pictured recoveries as seen here but I have had the opportunity to pull a few mud engulfed vehicles out, including myself on occasion. I understand the risks involved with such recoveries but I have never really used such an equation to adjust my winch techniques accordingly. I generally base most of my techniques on common sense and my basic knowledge of physics however I will take what I have just read and utilize this information on my future recoveries.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2013, 01:15 PM   #46
Junior Member
gtaz67 is on a distinguished road
Name: greg
Joined: Feb 2013, #96636
Location: las vegas
Gender: Male
Posts: 16
gtaz67's Tacoma Gallery
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by TicTacOma View Post
So if the train leaving Chicago on track 7 at 55mph is heading towards Omaha.....
How many stops for hot dogs would you like to add to the calculation?
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-2013, 12:40 AM   #47
Senior Member
552Jrider will become famous soon enough
 
552Jrider's Avatar
Name: Jeremy
Joined: Jul 2011, #60537
Location: Norcal
Gender: Male
Posts: 539
552Jrider's Tacoma Gallery
this is a great and safe way to recover a vehicle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lMxYnGIrw
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 09:53 PM   #48
Senior Member
MisterM70 is on a distinguished road
 
MisterM70's Avatar
Name: Jack
Joined: Aug 2012, #84631
Location: Mesa, Az
Gender: Male
Posts: 114
MisterM70's Tacoma Gallery
Talking How is this not the most subd?

I have found the OP's original post extremely helpful and wanted to learn more.

I recently was scouting a trail head solo and got stuck. I still had cell reception and read this thread and and also downloaded the full army recovery guide FM20-22
https://archive.org/details/Fm20-22V...veryOperations.

I have a TJm stealth 9000 winch, 4 shackles, tree strap, snatch block, synthetic sling, 100' extension strap, Hi-lift extreme and a snatch block. All brand new, never used other than the winch that was used once to pull a pre runner up a hill.

I probably could have figured it out with out this info...but after attempting to use my hi lift and straps to pull me backwards, off a ledge (front of truck on sliders/belly front tires off ground) I quickly realized there was a major resistance issue that I would not overcome without mechanical help.

Reading this article, doing some math and designing a proper rig and I was back on 4 wheels and moving forward.

Anyone going off road should have to understand these principles and pass a test prior to heading out.

Thanks again Tacoma world and cell reception.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2013, 02:01 PM   #49
Saratogian
DefyInertia is on a distinguished road
 
DefyInertia's Avatar
Name: Nate
Joined: Dec 2007, #4031
Location: NorCal
Gender: Male
Posts: 109
DefyInertia's Tacoma Gallery
THANK YOU for this thread; I read the whole thing. However, I think the question of baseline resistence on flat ground needs to be futher addressed.

Why is the baseline resistence assumed to equal the weight of the loaded vehicle? This seems overly conservative (i.e., at 90 degrees (verticle) this would be an accurate calc. but on flat ground it would not be). Why not start with 10/20/30% of loaded vehicle weight as your baseline and then add in mire and other resistence adjustment factors?

Please help me understand.

My current winch is a hi-lift...which is rated at ~5000 to 7000 depending on the tackle you have. I'm going to go search hi-lift recovery threads.

PS - what about rocking back and forth, suddenly slipping off/into ledges, jolts, etc....I would think inertia would come into play here but...
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2013, 06:53 PM   #51
BIG DADDY
brutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
brutalguyracing's Avatar
Joined: Jun 2009, #19000
Location: F.U> GUYZ
Age: 85
Gender: Male
Posts: 24,009
brutalguyracing's Tacoma Gallery
how does one unstuck from sand on say beach or dune without burring my spare tire or a pullpal????

got stuck real good on my way out of beach yesterday morning...
i was fucking around in 2wd in some sugar and then i went to flip it in 4wd and i couldnt get out and i got out n looked and i was bottomed out big time all around....
thank god there was one small tree about 150' out....so i winched
but in the future......id like to make it easier....
yes i know i could have aired down and stayed in 4wd and this would never of happened
i thought i saw someplace something about 3 pieces of re-bar?
but idk
any ideas that are proven
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2013, 07:01 PM   #52
VA6DCO
IgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
IgnorantlyAlberta's Avatar
Name: David
Joined: Apr 2012, #77432
Location: edmonton
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
IgnorantlyAlberta's Tacoma Gallery
Pullpal??

K just googled it nevermind.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2013, 07:05 PM   #53
VA6DCO
IgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
IgnorantlyAlberta's Avatar
Name: David
Joined: Apr 2012, #77432
Location: edmonton
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
IgnorantlyAlberta's Tacoma Gallery
I've got one of these. Got one a long time ago when I was a rookie 4wheeler. I have no sand or loose enough soil around these parts though.
Recovery Formula...-ground-anchor-3.jpg
Being that I just googled a pull pal clearly you don't want this.

A hilift jack and some traction pads would probably work.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2013, 07:28 PM   #54
BIG DADDY
brutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
brutalguyracing's Avatar
Joined: Jun 2009, #19000
Location: F.U> GUYZ
Age: 85
Gender: Male
Posts: 24,009
brutalguyracing's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by IgnorantlyAlberta View Post
I've got one of these. Got one a long time ago when I was a rookie 4wheeler. I have no sand or loose enough soil around these parts though.
Attachment 244678
Being that I just googled a pull pal clearly you don't want this.

A hilift jack and some traction pads would probably work.
what is that?
u want to sell it?
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2013, 08:00 PM   #55
VA6DCO
IgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
IgnorantlyAlberta's Avatar
Name: David
Joined: Apr 2012, #77432
Location: edmonton
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
IgnorantlyAlberta's Tacoma Gallery
The thing weighs a ton. It would cost more to ship than its worth. They are kinda cool though with a couple different ways to use them.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2013, 08:25 PM   #56
BIG DADDY
brutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shedbrutalguyracing is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
brutalguyracing's Avatar
Joined: Jun 2009, #19000
Location: F.U> GUYZ
Age: 85
Gender: Male
Posts: 24,009
brutalguyracing's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by IgnorantlyAlberta View Post
The thing weighs a ton. It would cost more to ship than its worth. They are kinda cool though with a couple different ways to use them.
U ever used it?
How much was it
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 05:41 PM   #58
VA6DCO
IgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shedIgnorantlyAlberta is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
IgnorantlyAlberta's Avatar
Name: David
Joined: Apr 2012, #77432
Location: edmonton
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
IgnorantlyAlberta's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by brutalguyracing View Post
U ever used it?
How much was it
I probably paid $150 to $200 for it. I tried it in gravel and couldn't get it to bite very well. They are said to work great in sand. Very little sand around here though.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2014, 11:24 AM   #60
Member
Esckay has a spectacular aura aboutEsckay has a spectacular aura about
Name: Sean
Joined: Jan 2014, #120969
Location: Whale's Vagina
Gender: Guy
Posts: 99
Esckay's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manwithoutaplan View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcTEAlGEtK0


great little recovery nugget and Tire Pressure is key in any off roading sitituation
Great video. Than
Thanks for posting.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Formula 1 is coming back to the U.S. 2003RC51 Off-Topic Discussion 6 06-01-2010 08:46 AM
Formula 1 in Austin, TX NAAC3TACO Sports, Hobbies & Interests 0 05-25-2010 02:53 PM
Formula One FearNothing321 Sports, Hobbies & Interests 4 11-04-2009 08:34 AM
Toyota's Formula One effort Jeff Technical Chat 1 04-08-2007 11:10 AM


Copyright © 2014 Tacoma Forum. Tacoma World is not owned by, or affiliated with Toyota Motor Corporation.