Best Weld-on sliders?

Fire931 · Oct 6, 2009

nope... the HREW version he does is even cheaper than those....

now you see what i'm saying huh!

Fire931 · Oct 6, 2009

haha... its all good.. now you see why i'm running the DOM's on mine...

jspadaro · Oct 6, 2009

Fire931 said: ↑

nope... the HREW version he does is even cheaper than those....

now you see what i'm saying huh!
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Yeah, by $65.... That's definitely worth it to me, if I'm comparing 4xinnovation HREW vs DOM... $65 for super strong sliders vs really strong sliders? Sign me up!

JimBeam · Oct 6, 2009

oakleyTRD said: ↑

gotcha.....

FWIW all sliders will bend a little, but i have never seen/ heard anything about the All Pros not doing the job they were designed for which is why i question your statement. FWIW they have one of the better designs IMHO, the kickout is a great feature when you need it pushing the rear end of the truck out and away from potential damage.

TBA, I like my shrockworks sliders but there are better options out there for less $$ and better performance, not to mention the wait time.....
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ive heard the stuff about all-pros bending too...or rather...flexing into the body of the truck etc etc

we've had this argument a ton of times

btw i would put money on you not being able to bend my sliders

pittim · Oct 6, 2009

jspadaro[OP] said: ↑

Yeah, by $65.... That's definitely worth it to me, if I'm comparing 4xinnovation HREW vs DOM... $65 for super strong sliders vs really strong sliders? Sign me up!
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especially for weld on sliders.

you could spend $65 less on a product that is more prone to failure, then if it does fail, you have to cut the current ones off, buy stronger ones, then get them welded on, OR just spend the extra little bit of money and buy the stronger ones in the first place.

Fire931 · Oct 6, 2009

gotcha.. yea i think mine were one of the first sets he did for the 2nd gen trucks... i'm not saying others dont build strong sliders.. but for the price and the fact that they are DOM.. you cant beat 4xinnovations

Crom · Oct 6, 2009

I would like to recommend Richard Stubbs HD-SKO rock sliders. I bought them and have been very happy with them. They reinforce the frame and protect my truck well.

HD-SKO on the right in this photo

Nice prefabbed scab plates:

Reinforced end caps:

Here is a pic of my neighbor welding them up.

I just read on their website that orders are currently being shipped within 3-5 days of the purchase date!

http://www.stubbswelding.com/hdsko.htm

jspadaro · Oct 6, 2009

Do you have any pictures of the HD-SKO's installed? I'm intrigued

Crom · Oct 6, 2009

Yes... In a few hours when I am on break. I'll go shoot some photos and post them for you.

Snyperx · Oct 6, 2009

I'm telling you go with 4xInnovations. Fire391 and I know what we are talking about. Adam is awesome......give them a call. You can't beat the price and quality.

Lichen · Oct 6, 2009

The All-Pros had better not bend. I have a new set of the bolt-ons for my FJC sitting on my back porch. I'll go with the Stubbs when I get a weld-on set for my Taco.

Crom · Oct 6, 2009

jspadaro,

Here are some pics:

4x4Runner · Oct 6, 2009

So which is better? DOM or HREW????

I want to see what everyones take on it is.

JimBeam · Oct 6, 2009

i vote DOM

i dont think you can overbuild armor...however you can underbuild it

Fire931 · Oct 6, 2009

DOM is stronger than HREW, however it will always cost more as well. but as tiger said you can't over build armor!! just remember that piece is there to protect your 30k investment........

JimBeam · Oct 6, 2009

one thing of interest when comparing DOM v. HREW

if you use the armor...you'll notice that DOM will dent very easily...but not bed...whereas HREW wont dent as easily...but bends under less force

strange

4x4Runner · Oct 6, 2009

So for now DOM is up by 2.

Could I ask how one would know that "DOM" is stronger than "HREW" tubing?

Just curious

JimBeam · Oct 6, 2009

from pirate: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7909748&postcount=6

Hot Rolled ERW (HREW)
HREW is rolled into a tube at elevated temperatures, usually way above room temperature. This produces a tubing that is more malleable and therefore easier to form but that is also not as strong, is supplied covered with scale, and not as uniform in dimension as cold rolled. It is also quite a bit cheaper than cold rolled.
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Drawn Over Mandrel (DOM)
Strong and well-finished DOM is an electric resistance welded tube tested for soundness of weld and drawn through a die and over a mandrel. This process imparts significantly improved mechanical properties to the tube, due to the cold working process. It is considered a high quality tube, and is normally constructed from SAE 1020 or 1026 steel. Note that, technically DOM refers to the process by which the tube is finished after having started as an ERW tube. Technically, DOM is not a type of steel tube, but rather a process. As so often happen though - in common use the term has become accepted to mean a specific type of tubing rather than a process. In this case, when people say "DOM" they normally mean an ERW tube drawn over a mandrel at (close to) room temperature and made from SAE 1020 steel. It is normally drawn to O.D. and I.D. dimensions. Here is what the Steel Tube Institute of North America has to say about DOM:
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WATRD · Oct 6, 2009

tigerfan00 said: ↑

i vote DOM

i dont think you can overbuild armor...however you can underbuild it
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Fire931 said: ↑

DOM is stronger than HREW, however it will always cost more as well. but as tiger said you can't over build armor!! just remember that piece is there to protect your 30k investment........
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I would argue that is not actually the case. You can easily overbuild armor at the cost of maneuverability and weight. Military history shows us examples of that in numerous ways.

That said, it would be hard to overbuild sliders to the point that you suffered in other areas in an immediately obvious way. But, I think we are talking about "How strong is strong enough?" Is DOM really required in a properly designed slider? Probably not and it does tend to incur a weight penalty.

Fire931 · Oct 6, 2009

well true.. i guess there is an extent when it becomes to much.. however i hardly think going DOM on sliders has any fall backs... again this is the piece thats protecting your 30k investment.. and short of my front skid plate they take the biggest beating out of everything...

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