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Old 08-29-2008, 12:58 PM   #1
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New diesels will get better mileage and have cleaner emissions than your average car. Pictured above: 2009 Jetta SportWagen 2L TDI Clean Diesel.

Later this year (see the timeline below), we will finally begin to see an influx of new model diesels in the United States. While diesels make up 50% of the market share of vehicles in Europe, they’re still trying to shrug off the stigma of being dirty, noisy beasts here in the US. So what changed?
What are “clean” diesels?

In 2006, the EPA required the introduction of Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD), which removed a major polluting component of diesel fuel. Since sulfur would damage advanced emissions control systems, ULSD paved the way for better emissions control technology.
As early as August, we will start to see a new era of diesels that employ new technology to meet the strictest emissions standards in the world—BIN5/LEV II—which are enforced by 5 US states: California, Massachusetts, Maine, New York, and Vermont. BIN5/LEV II standards severely cap nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions (0.05 g/mile), one of the two tailpipe pollutants that have given diesels a bad rap (that and particulate matter).
Newer filters in these emissions systems trap particulate matter, while each model uses its own method to process NOx. Several models, including those from BMW, Mercedes, and Audi, will require the maintenance of a six- to eight-gallon tank of urea. The ammonia-rich solution (for example: Mercedes BlueTEC) is injected into exhaust to neutralize smog-forming nitrogen oxides. Since the urea tanks only require replenishing every 12,000 miles or so, inconvenience seems minimal, and some models, like Honda and VW diesels, meet emissions requirements without them.
While you might expect most of these diesels to get exceptional mileage, some of them do surprisingly poor. For example, the Mercedes and Audi models only get around 18/25 MPG (making this a good reason to continue to avoid SUVs). I know that the new emissions technology is supposed to negatively affect mileage, but 25 MPG is unimpressive, considering that VW’s Jetta BlueTDI got a road tested 60 MPG.
While the high price of diesel fuel is eating into some of the economic advantage of buying a new diesel vehicle, the difference is offset by mileage gains of 25 to 40% over comparable gas models. You might not see too much difference in sticker prices, either. Some models could cost $1,500 to $3,500 more for this new emissions control technology, but VW says its Jetta SportWagens could cost $2,000 less. Also be on the lookout for Federal tax credits that could be as large as $3,400 per vehicle.
When can we expect to see clean diesels in the US? Here’s the timeline:

1. Volkswagen
  • When: August 2008
  • Models: 2009 Jetta BlueTDI sedans and SportWagens
  • Engine: 2-liter turbodiesel in-line 4
  • Est. Mileage: 29/40 m.p.g. Sedan road tested at 60 MPG.
  • Est. Base Price: $22,000 to $25,000
2. Mercedes
3. BMW
4. Audi


  • When: January 2009
  • Models: Q7 3.0 TDI utility wagon
  • Engine: 3-liter turbodiesel V-6
  • Est. Mileage: 18/25 m.p.g.
  • Est. Base Price: $53,000
5. Honda (yes it’s true)
  • When: 2009
  • Models: Acura TSX sedan, other models could follow
  • Engine: 2.2-liter i-DTEC
  • Est. Mileage: 34/53 MPG
  • Est. Base Price: ?
6. Jeep
7. General Motors/Ford/Dodge
8. Nissan


9. Subaru
  • When: 2010
  • Models: Legacy sedan or Outback wagon
  • Engine: 2-liter turbodiesel flat 4
  • Est. Mileage: 33/47 m.p.g. (Outback)
  • Est. Base Price: $28,000 (Outback)
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I wrote on that e-mail a while ago and they said as we all have heard: NO diesels for the taco.
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I belive the Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel si already out. My Mom was looking at one last month.
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I belive the Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel si already out. My Mom was looking at one last month.
Yes....

And I believe you can get a diesel in a Jeep LIberty also.
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I wrote on that e-mail a while ago and they said as we all have heard: NO diesels for the taco.
Didn't someone post on here that Toyota announced they'll be comin' out with a diesel Taco in like, 2012 or something?

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Old 08-29-2008, 08:25 PM   #7
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Yes....

And I believe you can get a diesel in a Jeep LIberty also.
You could get one in the Liberty. 2004 was the only year for them. And its a great motor, 295 lbs. Tq. and 28 mpg.
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I belive the Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel si already out. My Mom was looking at one last month.
Yep... Since late 2007 actually. It is a 3.0L Turbo Diesel Mercedes engine.

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Yes....

And I believe you can get a diesel in a Jeep LIberty also.
Only for 2005 and 2006. It was a pilot program to gauge whether or not they would sell. They sold 40% more than they originally planned to even build. The 2.8L VM Motori Turbo Diesel is bomb proof. Unfortunately, the transmission's torque converter programming was not. That is why I don't have mine anymore.

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Didn't someone post on here that Toyota announced they'll be comin' out with a diesel Taco in like, 2012 or something?

Unfortunately, no. There have been plans for a HD Tundra Turbo Diesel, but latest press releases say that it is on hold too...
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[quote=007Tacoma;160863]Only for 2005 and 2006. It was a pilot program to gauge whether or not they would sell. They sold 40% more than they originally planned to even build. The 2.7L VM Motori Turbo Diesel is bomb proof. Unfortunately, the transmission's torque converter programming was not. That is why I don't have mine anymore. quote]
Ours in an '04..... No problems with the converter, but it only has 35,000 miles on it.
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You could get one in the Liberty. 2004 was the only year for them. And its a great motor, 295 lbs. Tq. and 28 mpg.
if you got a 2004, then it was a test bed model. They were sold as United States EPA certified vehicles for 2005 and 2006. In 2007 the emissions standards changed, and the 2.8L engine would have required some kind of after-treatment to pass Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions regulations. Chrysler (then Daimler Chrysler) decided to put the money into the Grand Cherokee and the Mercedes engine instead. Thus, they got a higher rate of return.
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From wikipedia...

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The Liberty was the first Jeep to use two new PowerTech engines, the 150 hp 2.4 L I4, dropped in 2006, and the 210 hp 3.7 L V6. A VM Motori 2.8 L I4 common rail turbodiesel became available in CRD branded 2005-2006 Sport and Limited models. The diesel utilized a variable geometry turbocharger and generated 160 horsepower (120 kW) and 295 pound-feet of torque. The overbuilt nature of the diesel powerplant added nearly 200 pounds to the CRD's curb weight versus the gasoline model. DaimlerChrysler introduced the CRD to gauge the marketability of diesel engines in North America; diesels are already common in Europe. Jeep exceeded their expectations by selling 10,000 Liberty CRD models in the first calendar year of sales.
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if you got a 2004, then it was a test bed model. They were sold as United States EPA certified vehicles for 2005 and 2006. In 2007 the emissions standards changed, and the 2.8L engine would have required some kind of after-treatment to pass Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions regulations. Chrysler (then Daimler Chrysler) decided to put the money into the Grand Cherokee and the Mercedes engine instead. Thus, they got a higher rate of return.
Your right. I had to go and look at the build date. It was built in late '05. Im getting old.
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Only for 2005 and 2006. It was a pilot program to gauge whether or not they would sell. They sold 40% more than they originally planned to even build. The 2.7L VM Motori Turbo Diesel is bomb proof. Unfortunately, the transmission's torque converter programming was not. That is why I don't have mine anymore.
Ours in an '04..... No problems with the converter, but it only has 35,000 miles on it.
Consider yourself VERY VERY lucky. Only about 40% had TC issues, and of those very few people got theirs fixed. My Tranny computer was reflashed 5 times with 4 different revisions to the program. They finally replaced the TC, and it did nothing for it. I traded it in on my wife's RAV4.
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Your right. I had to go and look at the build date. It was built in late '05. Im getting old.
...or just tired.
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I didnt realize there were so few built. I wonder if that will help with its re sale value?
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...or just tired.
Thank you. It has been a very grueling week.
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I didnt realize there were so few built. I wonder if that will help with its re sale value?
yes - definitely, but if you do ever consider selling it - call me first. I am poor now, but I don't plan on staying that way.
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yes - definitely, but if you do ever consider selling it - call me first. I am poor now, but I don't plan on staying that way.
I will keep that in mind!
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I will keep that in mind!
I'll have to get some pics up to show ya.
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