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States to begin drug testing for welfare recipients.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Warhorseforever, Jan 5, 2012.

  1. Jan 5, 2012 at 1:10 PM
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    I agree with Oz that not everyone on the system is a mooch, but they should still be clean.

    I was on assistance when I was a 19 year old dad with a wife in college and a son in diapers. I worked 2-3 jobs didn't do drugs or drink beer and ate hotdogs and only what I could afford. They only offered me something like $23/month because I made so much money ($7/hr, 40hrs/wk)

    Was on that till I got a real job. I used it how it was supposed to be used, and have more than paid for what I took.
     
  2. Jan 5, 2012 at 1:10 PM
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  3. Jan 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM
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    ... it would be a start ;)
     
  4. Jan 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM
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    Ive often thought that to. I saw city employees picking up trash along the highway today.. I thought to myself, that should be prisoners out there doing that! I guess the welfare class would work too. Anyone on welfare is now a "state/federal" employee but they dont get paid like the actual state/federal workers do, they are just allowed to keep getting their welfare checks as long as they are showing up doing the work assigned to them.
     
  6. Jan 5, 2012 at 1:13 PM
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    They vote. They vote for more beneis just as the uber rich vote for more tax cuts and loop holes.
     
  7. Jan 5, 2012 at 1:14 PM
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    Exactly. I have no problem helping people out who need it and deserve it. (Trying hard and not just sitting back watching their plasma tv that the gov paid for.)
     
  8. Jan 5, 2012 at 1:15 PM
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    Pretty much my exact thought. The drugs that are really bad, cocaine, meth, etc, can be out of your system in less than a week depending on use. Pot stays in your system the longest and is the least of our concerns. It doesn't take much to fake a pee test, hell you can go to any head shop and pick up a bottle of synthetic urine that will pass any pee test, 35$. It will cost more money trying to drug test them then what it's worth.
     
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    Here in AZ we brought back the chain gangs for prisoners and they don't earn squat. Seems only fitting that someone asking for a handout from the govt who has no job, no education, some type of clouded history, or drug use, should be providing some type of service to their community for the welfare.
     
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    ... didn't mean to, but i can see how it came off that way...

    ...i would say that there has to be some kind of accountability, ...and it should not be permissable for "otherwise" able-bodied folk to mooch off the system inevitably - exceptions might be the severely disabled or mentally disabled, etc..

    ... the pitfall of "generational" welfare, and the fleecing/plunder of the system by many who just keep popping out children in squalor should be addressed - force them to give up your reproductive capability!
     
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    Sterilization?
     
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    I'd like to think that because some of these people on welfare aren't gonna show up for/pass drug tests, that would make up for having to pay people to administer these tests. And if it simply causes these people to stop using drugs (doubt that it will) then that's good, too. :notsure:
     
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    Problem is its only 35$ to pass a piss test and get your money for the month or however long between drug tests. They'll keep showing up for free money. He'll someone wants to pay me monthly not to smoke weed I'd be all over it.
     
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    I honestly believe the welfare system needs some major help. The drug testing idea is nice in theory but, as I stated before, I don't think it will work. To really weed out which people truely need the aid and which people are just 'living off the system' because they can and are too lazy to do anything about it would take a huge amount of labor and again would be very inefficient and bias. I don't know what the solution is but I don't think drug testing will do a lot to clean up the system.
     
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    But if it's completely random and they are not given any notice, it might just work. I mean if they have to go down and buy clean piss every time they get called into the welfare office it might deter them from doing it..... might. But probably not.

    Or...... They could just pop into your residence randomly, it's pretty easy to show up with a cup and say pee in it. Another idea.
     
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  17. Jan 5, 2012 at 1:36 PM
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    You keep it stored in your house or fridge.. Takes 30 seconds to heat up in a microwave and comes with a heating pack that keeps it at 100 degrees for about 6 hours. You can store it for years, doesn't expire and works for men or women.

    I have friends who are on Task for drug dealing/using, and they use these things ALL the time, never fails. Unless your pulling blood, drug testing is worthless to someone who doesn't want to get caught.

    If they come to your house, sure your screwed, but there is no way they will do door to door for everyone.
     
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    Yeah I had buddies like that as well. Blood is the best way, or hair follicle, but super expensive.
     
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    This & I'll ask where does this end ? With just welfare ?? I doubt it

    Alot of legislation starts out as sound, principaled logic, then it goes thru the "take this out & put this in" process before it gets voted into law.

    The final product is usually a watered down version with a shit load of windows of opportunity for added legislation, today its welfare, tomorrow it may be SSI recipients & before you dismiss this as nonsense remember, no matter the source of income within the infrastructure its ALL tax dollars
    & the "powers that be" that decide who gets what from where just may decide that those on unemployment should also be required to drug screen , ya'll see where this is going ??
     

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