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[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by Charli

I'm sorry Wil--I can't believe that these ppl will just let you suffer like that! Doctors I understand--they always make ya wait forever for an appointment...

yeah, its shitty, but reality. and its another reason that, when the wife and i have kids......we will be going up the road a bit, to pineville........way better than the hospital here in rock hill!!! cant wait til monday morning.......maybe i'll get some relief then!!

[07tacoark]

Originally Posted by piercedtiger

Here's something to try in the mean time.... Pinch the area of skin between your thumb and index finger. About half an inch in where you can feel tendons, etc, not just the flap of skin. Pinch and hold for a few seconds, maybe roll it around a little. Works well for headaches usually, and I'll do it when my knees or lower back are killing me when I'm trying to sleep. It's free, and you can try it now.

that doesnt work for whats goin on with him... headaches yes... arm/neck nerve no. the spot yur referrin to is the lung meridian source point

Originally Posted by Charli

I'm sorry Wil--I can't believe that these ppl will just let you suffer like that! Doctors I understand--they always make ya wait forever for an appointment...

if he lives in a small town... then that is why they are booked up. if u live somewhere bigger theres lots of places to go...

will, have u even considered tryin to find a massage therapy school nearby?? they are cheaper and should know how to work on the area u need attention to. and u might want to spend the gas $$ to go out of town somewhere near where u are just to find a therapist

[chris4x4]

I have a question. Cearly Will is in pain. Drs. have said that he needs to see a Neurosurgeon. Now, be clear that Im not trying to stir up a shit storm, BUT, If the Drs. see a problem with the spine, why would they not suggest a massage if it would clearly fix the problem? The oath that Drs. take states that "above all else, do no harm to the patient".

[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by chris4x4

I have a question. Cearly Will is in pain. Drs. have said that he needs to see a Neurosurgeon. Now, be clear that Im not trying to stir up a shit storm, BUT, If the Drs. see a problem with the spine, why would they not suggest a massage if it would clearly fix the problem? The oath that Drs. take states that "above all else, do no harm to the patient".

i agree with ya chris.....to a point. the dr. did say i need to see a neurosurgeon........but the one he referred me to cant see me until august 7th.........no way i could wait that long. and if they were that worried.....they would have set up an appointment for me at someones closest convenience. i dont think that they were taking me all that serious in the first place. another reason i dont think that they really cared is because the dr. said its brought on by a bad uscle spasm. either way.........gonna get something done soon. the chiropracter i had seen is all about the $$....i figured that out right away, so i wont be going back to him. after monday......im gonna find a good massage therapist, even if its a little drive away, that i can start going to periodically so that it may prevent stuff like this from happening!

like i said,i agree with ya, but some of the drs. around here can be quite the shady individual. and its another reason why i dislike drs. to some point anyway.

[Ridgerunner]

Thats where I was going here cause I'm thinking, judging by Will saying it recurrs-either a herniated disc in his neck, or a bone spur, or even degenerated bursa. Whatever it is, Chris, it is potentially dangerous. I am hoping he stays on the path to testing first before he lets anyone without X-ray vision get their hands on him massage therapy can be hugely beneficial all over the body-but you just dont play with one who is suffering agonizing spinal nerve pain IMO.

[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

Thats where I was going here cause I'm thinking, judging by Will saying it recurrs-either a herniated disc in his neck, or a bone spur, or even degenerated bursa. Whatever it is, Chris, it is potentially dangerous. I am hoping he stays on the path to testing first before he lets anyone without X-ray vision get their hands on him massage therapy can be hugely beneficial all over the body-but you just dont play with one who is suffering agonizing spinal nerve pain IMO.

when i finally get the nerve from being pinched and the numbness is gone, im definitely gonna take tacoark's advice and find a good masseuse to go to periodically. kinda like preventative maintenance for the body!!

in all honesty.......im wisdhing that they would have given me a shot in the muscle in my back that is having the spasm......i guarantee that would have calmed the muscle down...........instead, they were not believeing me when i was telling them that none of the pain pills werent working.......hell, i aint no friggin druggie, i was just looking for relief!!

[Charli]

I find all of this stuff really interesting. It's really weird how problems in the back and neck can manifest as problems elsewhere. Hubby has had recurring shoulder and arm pain several times--he's had this done twice over the years. His doctor diaganosed it as a dislocated rib! My first thought originally was that sounds like a load of crap! Turns out it wasn't--I did research first and you really can dislocate the ribs up near your neck/top of the spine from muscle tension, etc. The doc put him on muscle relaxers for a few days and then, through brute strength, popped the rib back in place--hubby said he could feel it pop back--and the pain totally disappeared as soon as the rib was back in place. The weird part was that the pain was only in his shoulder and upper arm, but the problem that caused it was nowhere near there! Funny how things work.

Edit: Forgot to put in the point I was trying to make! LOL! Once all this is cleared up (whatever the solution may be and however it works out) preventative massage sounds like it would be a good idea since muscles can cause all sorts of problems.

[piercedtiger]

Here's my take on this... Since my wife has had 2 back surgeries. They were for ruptured discs so a massage wouldn't fix it. But if it could, then why not pursue that option before having someone root around your spine with sharp objects? Keep in mind my wife has nerve damage from said surgeries, part of her left leg and foot are numb, and she was laid up for several months healing.

Even some of the doctors we've talked to say other doctors jump to the surgery option waaaaay to quickly like it's the holy grail of fixing back problems while they return mixed results. Some doc's she's spoken too even suggested massage therapy or physical therapy could have helped her back without surgery. Unfortunately, she never had insurance that would cover that.

I personally don't go see doctors unless I require stitches, but that's only because I can sew myself up!

Hell, even a chiropractor might help. My buddy's been in construction and working on cars his whole life (pulling motors by himself with no hoist, etc) so his back is all f'd up. He goes to his chiropractor once a month or so. After the sessions he can stand up straight, doesn't have back pain, never gets sick (cold, flu, whatever). He raves about all the benefits he gets out of it, and has never gone in for surgery for it.

Most western doctors tend to dismiss any sort of treatment that's not "traditional" or what they were taught in med school (ie, eastern medicine, pressure points, massage therapy, accupuncture, etc) despite those techniques being used with great success in other countries.

[piercedtiger]

Originally Posted by chris4x4

I have a question. Cearly Will is in pain. Drs. have said that he needs to see a Neurosurgeon. Now, be clear that Im not trying to stir up a shit storm, BUT, If the Drs. see a problem with the spine, why would they not suggest a massage if it would clearly fix the problem? The oath that Drs. take states that "above all else, do no harm to the patient".

Do you believe everything the auto mechanic says too? Different thing I know, but how many will do a cheap, easy fix instead of the more expensive one? As in, replacing a few warn parts on an engine instead of replacing the whole thing? Chances are most would go the more expensive, more labor intensive route to get more money rather than say "oh, you just need this set of parts and do it yourself". Now, I've had a couple actually do that so they are the ones I go back to. Same deal with doctors. "Do no harm...." is something they're supposed to follow, but think about the 10 years of student loans they need to pay off. Or the big houses/fancy cars they might have. Who pays for that?

I suppose there's also a reason people go to other doctors for a "second opinion". It's just that: an opinion. They don't always know what the problem is and what the best treatment is.

[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by piercedtiger

Here's my take on this... Since my wife has had 2 back surgeries. They were for ruptured discs so a massage wouldn't fix it. But if it could, then why not pursue that option before having someone root around your spine with sharp objects? Keep in mind my wife has nerve damage from said surgeries, part of her left leg and foot are numb, and she was laid up for several months healing.

Even some of the doctors we've talked to say other doctors jump to the surgery option waaaaay to quickly like it's the holy grail of fixing back problems while they return mixed results. Some doc's she's spoken too even suggested massage therapy or physical therapy could have helped her back without surgery. Unfortunately, she never had insurance that would cover that.

I personally don't go see doctors unless I require stitches, but that's only because I can sew myself up!

Hell, even a chiropractor might help. My buddy's been in construction and working on cars his whole life (pulling motors by himself with no hoist, etc) so his back is all f'd up. He goes to his chiropractor once a month or so. After the sessions he can stand up straight, doesn't have back pain, never gets sick (cold, flu, whatever). He raves about all the benefits he gets out of it, and has never gone in for surgery for it.

Most western doctors tend to dismiss any sort of treatment that's not "traditional" or what they were taught in med school (ie, eastern medicine, pressure points, massage therapy, accupuncture, etc) despite those techniques being used with great success in other countries.

well, for one, the chiropracter didnt even do any xrays(which he should have done).....he just tried doing adjustments first thing.....which should have been a red flag for me.....but i was in pain, so i was looking for a quick out, then he couldnt do anything and says "jeez.....i dont know man, i guess you can keep coming back here for adjustments"...........so yeah, i aint going back to him. and as far as me going to see a neurosurgeon, a buddy of mine with back problems enough for the state of couth carolina, actually reffered me to him. he says that they work with you and try to make surgery the very last option. hopefully.....i can get a cortizone shot in the shitty muscle, then maybe rehab my neck, back and shoulders to keep it from happening again. hopefully, if we do another mri.....i wont have anything broken or torn this time. then when im done there.......i'll be going to see a masseuse as i had mentioned to keep everything loose. hopefully, that'll keep everything like its supposed to be so i dont get into this kinda shape again.

[chris4x4]

Originally Posted by piercedtiger

Do you believe everything the auto mechanic says too? Different thing I know, but how many will do a cheap, easy fix instead of the more expensive one? As in, replacing a few warn parts on an engine instead of replacing the whole thing? Chances are most would go the more expensive, more labor intensive route to get more money rather than say "oh, you just need this set of parts and do it yourself". Now, I've had a couple actually do that so they are the ones I go back to. Same deal with doctors. "Do no harm...." is something they're supposed to follow, but think about the 10 years of student loans they need to pay off. Or the big houses/fancy cars they might have. Who pays for that?

I suppose there's also a reason people go to other doctors for a "second opinion". It's just that: an opinion. They don't always know what the problem is and what the best treatment is.

I see your point. I have had great treatments from the Drs. I have experienced, so I may be a little niave.

[piercedtiger]

Originally Posted by chris4x4

I see your point. I have had great treatments from the Drs. I have experienced, so I may be a little niave.

Yeah. I'm not trying to say all doctors are bad, but they're kinda like mechanics! You need to do your homework to find a reputable one that sees you as a patient not a Bimmer or student loan payment!

My mom's a nurse; my grandfather's been to several hospitals for bypass surgery, joint replacement and a few other things; my wife's had 2 back surgeries; and I've dated lots of people with medical problems. So I've had my share of doctors that were questionable. Hell, even some hospitals I wouldn't take my family to unless it was an emergency (and even then I keep my eye on things and have my mom there to kinda keep them in check). Not to mention the way I've been treated when needing stitches. Sitting in the waiting room bleeding for half an hour (luckily mom got my hand patched up before going to the ER), then sitting with my hand in cleanser for another half hour to an hour after they apparently forgot about me. She finally left the room to track someone down and it took maybe 5 minutes for 8 stitches.

Edit:
OH! And there was the time my ex's sister was pregnant. We were in Myrtle Beach, and she went to the hospital on 501 between MB and Conway. She was only 4cm dilated I think, and the stupid nurse/doc on duty broke her water so they had no choice other than to induce despite the fact the baby was obviously not ready to come! Her BF/father of the baby was ready to sue the hospital for malpractice! (again, there's a reason they carry insurance to cover f'ups)

[07tacoark]

Originally Posted by piercedtiger

Most western doctors tend to dismiss any sort of treatment that's not "traditional" or what they were taught in med school (ie, eastern medicine, pressure points, massage therapy, accupuncture, etc) despite those techniques being used with great succes