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Old 06-03-2010, 09:12 AM   #1
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Illegal Immigrant Taser Death Ruled a Homicide

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The Mexican migrant was shot with a stun gun by a U.S. immigration officer

Updated 1:45 PM PDT, Wed, Jun 2, 2010

The death of a Mexican migrant has been ruled a homicide, five days after he was shot with a stun gun by a U.S. immigration officer, according to the San Diego County medical examiner's office. The coroner said Wednesday that methampetemaine abuse and hypertension contributed to the death of Anastacio Hernandez, who died from cardiac arrest at a Chula Vista hospital. San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins says the 32-year-old was shot with a stun gun by a Customs and Border Protection officer Friday night at a San Diego border crossing. Hernandez became combative with agents who were preparing to hand him over to Mexican officials in Tijuana after he entered the United States illegally, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokeswoman Jacqueline Dizdul. She said he ignored repeated orders to stop fighting and wrestled two Border Patrol agents to the ground. Collins says results of the investigation will be sent to federal prosecutors, who will determine if criminal charges are filed.
Mexico has condemned the use of force against Hernandez.

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SAN DIEGO (AP) — The San Diego County coroner ruled Wednesday that the death of a Mexican migrant at the U.S. border was a homicide, five days after an American immigration officer shot him with a stun gun.
The cause of death was determined to be a heart attack, with methamphetamine abuse and hypertension listed as contributing factors. Anastacio Hernandez, 32, was shocked with a stun gun fired by a Customs and Border Protection officer Friday night at the San Ysidro border crossing that separates San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico, said San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins.

Hernandez had wrestled two Border Patrol agents to the ground after his handcuffs were removed, police said. The medical examiner's office said Hernandez died Saturday, about 21 hours after the clash. Collins said Hernandez was declared brain-dead Saturday and his family removed him from life support Monday. Results of the police investigation will be sent to federal prosecutors, who will determine if criminal charges are filed, Collins said. Mexico's Foreign Relations Department has condemned the use of force against Hernandez.
The head of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement promised a federal investigation.

John Morton, an assistant Homeland Security secretary, told reporters Wednesday in Mexico City that he is concerned about the case and regrets what he called a tragic death. Collins said Hernandez attacked the Border Patrol agents after they escorted him out of a van and prepared to return him to Mexico. The agents radioed for help. One agent, apparently from ICE, struck Hernandez with a baton, Collins said. The CBP officer then shocked Hernandez with the stun gun.

Hernandez stopped breathing and showed no pulse. Relatives told the American Friends Service Committee that Hernandez was deported May 25 after being stopped for a traffic violation in San Diego, said Christian Ramirez, national coordinator of the group's Project Voice immigration reform campaign. He then returned to the U.S. illegally through the rugged mountains east of San Diego with his younger brother, who had also been deported, Ramirez said.

They were arrested by the Border Patrol on Friday afternoon. Hernandez came to the U.S. when he was 14, followed by four brothers, and all of them work construction jobs, Ramirez said. He has mostly lived in the San Diego area with his wife of 21 years and five U.S.-born children.
Relatives say Hernandez was 42 years old and that he spells his first name Anastasio, according to Ramirez.

Hernandez's cousin, Veronica Hernandez, appeared at a news conference with migrant activists who said the death was a result of a failed immigration system. She said the family had not decided on burial plans. "He was a happy man, a joker," she said. "He worked hard, too hard."
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really?? "Hernandez became combative with agents who were preparing to hand him over to Mexican officials in Tijuana after he entered the United States illegally," How exactly is this a homicide???
More proof that the Govt doesnt have ICE/BCP agents backs.
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How do they come to that being a homicide?
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Oh man.....after I read the title I thought for sure the poster would be Packer.

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By the definition from a law library it should be a homicide

"The killing of one human being by another human being.

Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable. For example, individuals may, in a necessary act of Self-Defense, kill a person who threatens them with death or serious injury, or they may be commanded or authorized by law to kill a person who is a member of an enemy force or who has committed a serious crime. Typically, the circumstances surrounding a killing determine whether it is criminal. The intent of the killer usually determines whether a criminal homicide is classified as murder or Manslaughter and at what degree."
Well said sir. Thank you. I still have 0 sympathy for the guy. I feel for the BCP agents though.
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Old 06-03-2010, 09:26 AM   #7
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really?? "Hernandez became combative with agents who were preparing to hand him over to Mexican officials in Tijuana after he entered the United States illegally," How exactly is this a homicide???
More proof that the Govt doesnt have ICE/BCP agents backs.
I don't know either. I will be curious to see if any charges are filed against the Patrol Agents. I will very upset if they do, but I don't think they will.

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How do they come to that being a homicide?
I wonder if international politics are a factor here. I suspect so.

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Meh, I wouldn't worry too much not yet anyways, not in till criminal charges are filed, then get pissed off. It all comes down to the federal prosecutors on whether or not to charge.
I'm not sure how the Officer would have known about the methamphetamine abuse and hypertension, the Doctor should have ruled it a accidental homicide?!
I have a feeling that the Doctor may have a grudge about the Arizona law maybe? I think a investigation of the Doctor is also warranted.
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What a crock of shit!

Accidental death is my ruling!
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wait until " machete " comes out and attempts to inspire an illegal immigrant uprising... check it out if you want on youtube. alex jones covers the movies intention quite well
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The fact that it's a "homicide" just means there will need to be an investigation into whether it was a criminal homicide versus a justifiable homicide versus an accidental homicide.

It sounds like these agents will be in the clear. At least I hope so.
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I think some of you are confusing murder with homicide. BIG difference. Read the above definition I posted.
I completely agree and someone else came to the same conclusion on the news site in the comments section. The law can call something a homicide and not file any criminal charges. But I think for most people the choice of words can be confusing/misleading.
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Mexico has condemned the use of force against Hernandez.
then keep them the fuck out of our country. they only condemn it because those people are funding their country
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So if meth and hypertension contributed to his death, i still dont see how it is being a homicide. sorry but am i missing somthing
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So if meth and hypertension contributed to his death, i still dont see how it is being a homicide. sorry but am i missing somthing
yeah, you missed the fact that ILLEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL use of meth are ok.....just not tazing
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wait until " machete " comes out and attempts to inspire an illegal immigrant uprising... check it out if you want on youtube. alex jones covers the movies intention quite well
I looked it up but the clip looks like it's from the movie Grindhouse by Quinton Tarantino.
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Homicide is simply the taking of a life. There are factors after that that determine whether it was criminal, accidental or justifiable.
understable, however, tazing is non-lethal, so if the guy died, something else was the catalyst
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sucks but I doubt they will do anything different if faced with a similar situation in the future.
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"Mexico has condemned the use of force against Hernandez"



Mexico's president is (insert bad words here)
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