Mike "Wuzzy121". Rest in peace, brother

Go Back   Tacoma World Forums > Off-Topic > Off-Topic Discussion

Notices

Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-08-2010, 08:16 PM   #1
kinetik873 [OP] kinetik873 is offline
Senior Member
kinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
kinetik873's Avatar
Navy: GM1(sw/exw), USS Tortuga 01-04, NSWDG 04-09.
Name: Josh
Joined: Sep 2008, #9468
Location: Springfield, Va.
Age: 32
Gender: Guy
Posts: 1,533
kinetik873's Tacoma Gallery
Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico – A U.S. Border Patrol important agentfatally shot a 15-year-old Mexican boy after a group trying to illegally enter Texas threw rocks at officers near downtown El Paso, U.S. authorities said Tuesday.
The shooting, which happened Monday evening beneath a railroad bridge linking the two nations, drew sharp criticism from Mexico, where President Felipe Calderon said Tuesday that his goverment "will use all resources available to protect the rights of Mexican migrants."
The government "reiterates its rejection to the disproportionate use of force on the part on U.S. authorities on the border with Mexico," the president added in a statement.
It was the second death of a Mexican at the hands of Border Patrolofficers in less than two weeks, and the case threatened to swell into a full-blown international incident when U.S. and Mexican officials traded suggestions of misconduct.
Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the Chihuahua Attorney General's office, said a spent .40-caliber shell casing was found near the body — raising the question of whether the fatal shot was fired inside Mexico, although he did not explicitly make that suggestion. That would violate the rules for Border Patrol agents, who are supposed to stay on the U.S. side of the border.
A U.S. official, meanwhile, said video shows the Border Patrol agent did not enter Mexico.
The official, who agreed to discuss the matter only if not quoted by name, said the video also shows what seem to be four important]Mexican law enforcement important]officers driving to the edge of the dry but muddy bed of the Rio Grande, walking across to the U.S. side, picking up an undetermined object and returning to Mexico near the area where the boy's body was. Like their U.S. counterparts, Mexican law officers are not authorized to cross the border without permission.
According to the FBI, Border Patrol agents were responding to a group ofsuspected immigrants being smuggled into the U.S. near the Paso Del Norte bridge, across from Ciudad Juarez around 6:30 p.m. Monday.
One suspected illegal immigrant was detained on the levee on the U.S. side, the FBI said in a statement. Another Border Patrol agent arrived on the concrete bank where the now-dry, 33-feet (10-meter) wide Rio Grande is, and detained a second suspect. Other suspects ran back into Mexico and began throwing rocks, the FBI said.
At least one rock came from behind the agent, who was kneeling beside the suspected illegal immigrant who he had prone on the ground, FBI spokeswoman Andrea Simmons said.
The agent told the rock throwers to stop and back off, but they continued. The agent fired his weapon several times, hitting one who later died, said the FBI, which is leading the investigation because it involved an assault on a federal officer. The agent was not injured, Simmons said.
Border Patrol Special Operations Supervisor Ramiro Cordero said preliminary reports showed Border Patrol agents on bicycle patrol "were assaulted with rocks by an unknown number of people."
"During the assault at least one agent discharged his firearm," he said. "The agent is currently on administrative leave. A thorough, multi-agency investigation is currently ongoing."
The U.S. State Department said in a statement that it regretted "the loss of life" and directed all further questions to the FBI and Border Patrol.
Chihuahua state officials released a statement Tuesday demanding a full investigation into the death of the boy, identified as Sergio Adrian Hernandez Huereka.
The boy was shot once near the eye, Sandoval said. Authorities are still investigating the bullet's trajectory, he said.
Sandoval said he couldn't comment on the video reported by the U.S. official because he didn't know anything about it.

"I am unaware about those hypotheses," he said. "What I can tell you is that there is an ongoing investigation."
Sandoval said investigators were questioning three teenagers who were with the victim at the time of the shooting.
The boy's sister, Rosario Hernandez, told Associated Press Television News that her brother was playing with several friends and did not plan to cross the border.
"They say that they started firing from over there and suddenly hit him in the head," she said Monday.
His father, Jesus Hernandez, asked for justice during the boy's wake at the family's two-room adobe house attended by some 30 friends and relatives.
"They killed my little boy and the only thing I ask is for the law" to be applied, Hernandez said sobbing.
Earlier Tuesday, the boy's mother, Maria Guadalupe Huereka, told Milenio TV in Mexico that her son had gone to eat with his brother, who handles luggage at a border customs office. While there, he met up with a group of friends and they decided to hang out by the river, she said.
"That was his mistake, to have gone to the river," she said. "That's why they killed him."
She said he ran and hid underneath one of the bridge's pillars upon hearing gunfire.
"He was a boy, and even then they killed him," she said. "I ask that they punish them. ... They left me without anything."
Mexico's Foreign Relations Department said its records indicate the number of Mexicans killed or wounded by immigration authorities rose from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 to 17 so far this year, which is not half over.
T.J. Bonner, president of the union representing Border Patrol agents, said rock throwing aimed at Border Patrol agents are common and capable of causing serious injury.
"It is a deadly force encounter, one that justifies the use of deadly force," Bonner said.
The violence in Mexico combined with assaults on Border Patrol agents in the U.S. has increased the level of apprehension agents have about their safety, Bonner said.
Less than two weeks ago, Mexican migrant Anastacio Hernandez, 32, died after a Customs and Border Protection officer shocked him with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing that separates San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico. Last week the San Diego medical examiner's office ruled that death a homicide.




Thoughts?
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:21 PM   #2
Living vicariously through mjp2
eordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
eordonez's Avatar
Name: Ed
Joined: Mar 2008, #5340
Location: Chihuahua, Mexico
Age: 33
Gender: Dude
Posts: 8,410
eordonez's Tacoma Gallery
yeah, its all over the news, and thanks for posting

how is that a highly trained officer responds with bullets (headshot) to a rock throwing attack???
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:23 PM   #3
Thread Jacker
schiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shedschiz94 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
schiz94's Avatar
Name: Caleb
Joined: May 2009, #17674
Location: Bellingham,WA
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,616
schiz94's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by eordonez View Post
yeah, its all over the news, and thanks for posting

how is that a highly trained officer responds with bullets (headshot) to a rock throwing attack???
rocks are pretty hard
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:25 PM   #4
kinetik873 [OP] kinetik873 is offline
Senior Member
kinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
kinetik873's Avatar
Navy: GM1(sw/exw), USS Tortuga 01-04, NSWDG 04-09.
Name: Josh
Joined: Sep 2008, #9468
Location: Springfield, Va.
Age: 32
Gender: Guy
Posts: 1,533
kinetik873's Tacoma Gallery
just edited the HTML crap out, sorry for that. I say good on the officer, rocks can be considered deadly weapons. Again its a damn tough situation that I would not want to be in. I'd really like to know what the Mexican officials picked up on our side of the border though.
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:25 PM   #5
Crusty ole' conservative fart
Sullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSullyman is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
Sullyman's Avatar
Air Force: Retired Master Sergeant
Joined: Apr 2010, #36054
Location: Augusta, Georgia area
Gender: Male
Posts: 560
Sullyman's Tacoma Gallery
I'm thinking rock throwing is similar to charging an officer in a vehicle...both can be deadly...look up the stoning penalty in the islamic world if you don't believe it. I'd call it justified...
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:27 PM   #6
Senior Member
cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack
Joined: Jun 2009, #18119
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,506
cmack's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by eordonez View Post
yeah, its all over the news, and thanks for posting

how is that a highly trained officer responds with bullets (headshot) to a rock throwing attack???
x2
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:27 PM   #7
Senior Member
BakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shedBakoTruck is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
BakoTruck's Avatar
Name: Herbie Hancock
Joined: May 2009, #16674
Location: Bakersfield, CA
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,853
BakoTruck's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullyman View Post
I'm thinking rock throwing is similar to charging an officer in a vehicle...both can be deadly...look up the stoning penalty in the islamic world if you don't believe it. I'd call it justified...
X2!
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:27 PM   #8
The Professional
c0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shedc0b2a is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
c0b2a's Avatar
Army: 3rd SFG(A)
Joined: Feb 2008, #4630
Location: NC
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 264
c0b2a's Tacoma Gallery
Send a message via Skype™ to c0b2a
Good job on the border patrol.
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:28 PM   #9
Reagan/Bush '84
Colton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shedColton is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
Colton's Avatar
Navy: Dependant  (Father had 24 yrs on the Eisenhower, Ordinance Officer)
Name: Colton
Joined: May 2009, #17626
Location: Smithfield, VA
Gender: Guy
Posts: 12,979
Colton's Tacoma Gallery
When they throw rocks and subject the officers to harm, they are playing with fire, and when you play with fire you will get burned. No shots would have been fired in the first place if they weren't throwing rocks at the officers, putting them in danger. Secondly, they shouldn't have been trying to enter the country illegally... Good for border patrol!

Just my opinion...
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:32 PM   #10
Living vicariously through mjp2
eordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
eordonez's Avatar
Name: Ed
Joined: Mar 2008, #5340
Location: Chihuahua, Mexico
Age: 33
Gender: Dude
Posts: 8,410
eordonez's Tacoma Gallery
really?? headshots to a kid??? wow....
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:32 PM   #11
Living vicariously through everybody
derekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shedderekabraham is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
derekabraham's Avatar
Name: TW'S Hippy Liberal
Joined: Jul 2008, #7822
Location: Portland, OR
Age: 23
Gender: Guy
Posts: 29,450
derekabraham's Tacoma Gallery
Judgement.


Justified? Possibly.


Necessary? No.



I'd say bad judgement.
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:32 PM   #12
Im so hungry i can ride a horse...
kmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shedkmrofka is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
kmrofka's Avatar
Law Enforcement:
Joined: Nov 2008, #10708
Location: Arizona
Age: 26
Gender: Dude
Posts: 786
kmrofka's Tacoma Gallery
We have a right to defend our lives. I am speaking on behalf of my fellow agents. we have the right to go home after protecting you Americans. i dont care what the age or nationality is of the person that endangers my life. i have the right to go home above all else. the agent is in the right to protect his life. its common for illegals to rock us agents then take our weapons and kill the agents. after the incident in california where one of our agents were murdered. we all have become more aware and we do plan on protecting our life. illegals dont take us seriously. i hope that our government will protect him.
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:33 PM   #13
Living vicariously through mjp2
eordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
eordonez's Avatar
Name: Ed
Joined: Mar 2008, #5340
Location: Chihuahua, Mexico
Age: 33
Gender: Dude
Posts: 8,410
eordonez's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by derekabraham View Post
Judgement.


Justified? Possibly.


Necessary? No.



I'd say bad judgement.
this..
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:34 PM   #14
Member
rentbw is a splendid one to beholdrentbw is a splendid one to beholdrentbw is a splendid one to beholdrentbw is a splendid one to beholdrentbw is a splendid one to beholdrentbw is a splendid one to beholdrentbw is a splendid one to behold
 
rentbw's Avatar
Army: 13B
Name: Brent
Joined: Nov 2009, #26449
Location: Colorado/Illinois
Gender: Male
Posts: 69
rentbw's Tacoma Gallery
Hell when cops kill kids for no reason they dont make a big deal of it, when the cop(border patrol) actually has a reason its world news.
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:34 PM   #15
Senior Member
CopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shedCopDoctor is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
CopDoctor's Avatar
Law Enforcement: Maximum Security Correctional Officer
Name: Matt
Joined: Feb 2010, #30474
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,874
CopDoctor's Tacoma Gallery
is it really that hard to come here legally? everyone's angry but why? because punk ass kids got caught trying to smuggle themselves into our country..give me a break. go throw rocks at the next police officer you see and see what happens.
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:34 PM   #16
kinetik873 [OP] kinetik873 is offline
Senior Member
kinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shedkinetik873 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
kinetik873's Avatar
Navy: GM1(sw/exw), USS Tortuga 01-04, NSWDG 04-09.
Name: Josh
Joined: Sep 2008, #9468
Location: Springfield, Va.
Age: 32
Gender: Guy
Posts: 1,533
kinetik873's Tacoma Gallery
My step father is a Fed. Agent out here with ICE, I'm gonna have lunch with him tomorrow and ask him his thoughts and seeif I can't gain some insight. I'm going to try to limit my opinion on this...for now, but I will say: (ladies please excuse me) WHO THE FUCK IS THE MEXICAN PRESIDENT TO QUESTIONS US?!? Seriously, screw that guy.
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:34 PM   #17
Senior Member
drewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the sheddrewskie is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Name: Drew
Joined: May 2010, #38088
Location: Burbank, CA.
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,061
drewskie's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colton View Post
When they throw rocks and subject the officers to harm, they are playing with fire, and when you play with fire you will get burned. No shots would have been fired in the first place if they weren't throwing rocks at the officers, putting them in danger. Secondly, they shouldn't have been trying to enter the country illegally... Good for border patrol!

Just my opinion...
x2. How is that the mexican president always encourages the illegal entry? Whenever he issues a statement, he criticizes the U.S for stopping anybody from coming here illegally. Playing by the river eh??
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:36 PM   #18
Senior Member
cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack cmack
Joined: Jun 2009, #18119
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,506
cmack's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by derekabraham View Post
Judgement.


Justified? Possibly.


Necessary? No.



I'd say bad judgement.
This
 
Old 06-08-2010, 08:38 PM   #20
Living vicariously through mjp2
eordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shedeordonez is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
eordonez's Avatar
Name: Ed
Joined: Mar 2008, #5340
Location: Chihuahua, Mexico
Age: 33
Gender: Dude
Posts: 8,410
eordonez's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by drewskie View Post
x2. How is that the mexican president always encourages the illegal entry? Whenever he issues a statement, he criticizes the U.S for stopping anybody from coming here illegally. Playing by the river eh??
don't mind the president, we don't even like him..... but he doesnt encourages illegal immigration, he encourages a fair treatment to those who are illegally up there.... its very different.
 
Closed Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Any Border Patrol Agents on here? Blaktak Jobs & Careers 16 04-26-2012 10:08 PM
Border Patrol!! KodiakToyTRD Jobs & Careers 28 02-19-2011 06:46 PM
Tucson Border Patrol agent shot and killed TucsonMike Off-Topic Discussion 2 12-15-2010 07:19 AM
Border Patrol rab89 Entertainment 56 02-08-2010 02:09 PM
border patrol El Duderino 480 Off-Topic Discussion 22 03-17-2009 04:22 AM


Copyright © 2014 Tacoma Forum. Tacoma World is not owned by, or affiliated with Toyota Motor Corporation.