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Old 01-27-2013, 02:25 AM   #21
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:19 AM   #22
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Shawn your a super cool dude, and thank you for the smoke out at pismo.. I don't want to be someone who comes on here and bashes your shit, but after being able to see ZZRs in person your truck is insanely unsafe. The shakle mounts are extremely thin and only "gusseted" on one side.. Do you understand how much stress those mounts take? Mine are FULLY boxed in and they might already be bent. I'm not trying to come here and shit on your thread, but if you plan on continuing to run those shackles please for the love of jaysus go have mr.locke plate the shit out of them.

And your truck is going to be sick when you are able to put the right stuff on it. I love the way those older yotas look with fiberglass and LT
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Shawn your a super cool dude, and thank you for the smoke out at pismo.. I don't want to be someone who comes on here and bashes your shit, but after being able to see ZZRs in person your truck is insanely unsafe. The shakle mounts are extremely thin and only "gusseted" on one side.. Do you understand how much stress those mounts take? Mine are FULLY boxed in and they might already be bent. I'm not trying to come here and shit on your thread, but if you plan on continuing to run those shackles please for the love of jaysus go have mr.locke plate the shit out of them.

And your truck is going to be sick when you are able to put the right stuff on it. I love the way those older yotas look with fiberglass and LT
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Nah but I agree the shackle mounts could be a bit stronger but ive been on the look out for stress/bending/cracking and havn't seen any, like i said this is a TEMPORARY set up for the time being, till i have money set aside for a proper suspension setup. I could drop a k right now, but unfortunately at 200k miles a engine rebuild is a lil more of a concern. Lucky for my truck i dont drive it as hard as yours or else id definately run into some problems. are you concerned with bending the shackle mounts or the shackle itself?
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Yes, i know it will clap out these leafs much quicker than other setups, but leaf springs that i can easily re arch and rebuild for under $50 each time are a bit more viable for me.
There are two ways to re-arch a spring pack. The inexpensive way known as "cold setting" uses a press to change the arch. This is a short term fix. Springs are made out of (appropriately named) spring steel, which in laymen's terms has spring memory. Meaning unless the memory is erased, the spring pack will return to it's original height before re-arch. The second method is done by annealing, reshaping, and re-heat treating every single leaf in the pack. This process erases the spring's memory and typically costs $200+ per pack. If you're getting this done by your shop for $50, stay friends with that shop!

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So did your truck with a stock rear end and nothing but Icons up front.

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are you concerned with bending the shackle mounts or the shackle itself?
Gotta pic of your shackle/mount setup and we can tell you?
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:03 AM   #25
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Nah but I agree the shackle mounts could be a bit stronger but ive been on the look out for stress/bending/cracking and havn't seen any, like i said this is a TEMPORARY set up for the time being, till i have money set aside for a proper suspension setup. I could drop a k right now, but unfortunately at 200k miles a engine rebuild is a lil more of a concern. Lucky for my truck i dont drive it as hard as yours or else id definately run into some problems. are you concerned with bending the shackle mounts or the shackle itself?
Shawn..Danger...Pringle.. I like it!

I have TC 9" shackles I'd sell you for on-da-cheap when your ready.

I haven't investigated into it yet. Might just be the bushings, well see
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No one has said your truck can't work they are trying to advise you on how to avoid breaking and wearing out parts on your truck. I suggest you start taking some advise from people who have more experience than yourself and learning a thing or two instead of getting defensive. The point they are most likely trying to make is that instead of buying those shackles you could be that much closer to a legitimate rear suspension that you won't have to constantly maintain
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my old yota. shawn its nice to see your giving it the care and such it deserves, theyre our projects for a reason right, its all about learning.

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does this look that bad?
Can't see anything other than the shackle and part of the mount.
The shackle looks thin. Looks like a couple of pieces of 1/8" plate sandwiched in between two pieces of rectangular tubing? If you're using a rectangular shackle like that I'd really recommend plating it top to bottom and at least 3/16th. I bent my 3/16" square shackles, so did Matt.

As for the mount, sorry dude but from the what I see that's a little sketch. I can't see the whole thing so I don't have much to offer, but from what I can tell, I don't see any gusseting at all on it and literally just looks like a piece of metal hanging off the bottom of the frame with a bolt running through it. When it comes to pivots, you typically want a piece of DOM tubing welded to the frame and then gusseted front and back with bushings and a sleeve that the spring bolt runs through (basically just like one of the eyelets of a spring). You want as many points of contact on the pivots as possible to keep it from ripping off the frame. I actually have my bed cage welded to the top of my pivots and the pivots gusseted front and back.

As for spring arch, all I see is the truck drove up on the side of the hill. I don't see bumps (or where it bumps), but i see a shit load of shock shaft still showing. So unless you're on your bump stops, I'm guessing there's still several inches of uptravel which would put the leafs way negative. Again, these are just speculation based on the pictures you showed. If you've got more or take some more, I'd be happy to offer more information or clarify any of my previous statements.

One last thing, please invest in some tire straps.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:35 AM   #33
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Can't see anything other than the shackle and part of the mount.
The shackle looks thin. Looks like a couple of pieces of 1/8" plate sandwiched in between two pieces of rectangular tubing? If you're using a rectangular shackle like that I'd really recommend plating it top to bottom and at least 3/16th. I bent my 3/16" square shackles, so did Matt.

As for the mount, sorry dude but from the what I see that's a little sketch. I can't see the whole thing so I don't have much to offer, but from what I can tell, I don't see any gusseting at all on it and literally just looks like a piece of metal hanging off the bottom of the frame with a bolt running through it. When it comes to pivots, you typically want a piece of DOM tubing welded to the frame and then gusseted front and back with bushings and a sleeve that the spring bolt runs through (basically just like one of the eyelets of a spring). You want as many points of contact on the pivots as possible to keep it from ripping off the frame. I actually have my bed cage welded to the top of my pivots and the pivots gusseted front and back.

As for spring arch, all I see is the truck drove up on the side of the hill. I don't see bumps (or where it bumps), but i see a shit load of shock shaft still showing. So unless you're on your bump stops, I'm guessing there's still several inches of uptravel which would put the leafs way negative. Again, these are just speculation based on the pictures you showed. If you've got more or take some more, I'd be happy to offer more information or clarify any of my previous statements.

One last thing, please invest in some tire straps.
I know you think I'm stupid and zip doesn't know much but oddly enough it is dom tubing welded to the frame, gusseted both sides and underneath, with the proper poly bushings i might add. We also upgraded the bolt size while we were there to 5/8 I believe.
I agree the the shackles are a relatively weak point, and will be gusseting them more shortly. The rear side that is stuffed is approx 2 inches from bump, which more than likely results in a bit of negative arch (at complete full bump), but nowhere near "6 in of negative arch lol".
I appreciate the input and will be strengthening shackles asap, and more than likely adding more gussets to the mount.
I accept donations for tire straps. I'd rather buy a new transmission mount then throw down 60 bucks on ratchet straps for a spare tire setup im changing. I know it does'nt look trophy truck enough though with 1.5 in straps need moar
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I know you think I'm stupid and zip doesn't know much but oddly enough it is dom tubing welded to the frame, gusseted both sides and underneath, with the proper poly bushings i might add. We also upgraded the bolt size while we were there to 5/8 I believe.
I agree the the shackles are a relatively weak point, and will be gusseting them more shortly. The rear side that is stuffed is approx 2 inches from bump, which more than likely results in a bit of negative arch (at complete full bump), but nowhere near "6 in of negative arch lol".
I appreciate the input and will be strengthening shackles asap, and more than likely adding more gussets to the mount.
I accept donations for tire straps. I'd rather buy a new transmission mount then throw down 60 bucks on ratchet straps for a spare tire setup im changing. I know it does'nt look trophy truck enough though with 1.5 in straps need moar
First off, stop being a touchy little douchnozzle teenage prick.

Second, I never said you were stupid. I tried to give you some constructive criticism based on the two shit photos you posted showing very little in terms of detail of your rear suspension setup with nothing more than "does this look bad". Look at the picture and tell me how I'm supposed we're supposed to see anything other than two little pieces of metal hanging off the frame?

Third, I never said 6" of negative arch, I said wicked negative arch, which by my definition is anything more than 1/2".

Fourth, fuck your donations. You're a big boy, you can make big boy decisions. But when that one little cheezeball strap breaks and the tire falls off on the freeway and goes through the winshield of a minivan maybe you'll rethink it. I could care less whether your truck looks TT or garage fab. Quality American made ratchet axle straps are only $20. Eat ramen instead of taco bell for a week and it pays for itself.
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First off, stop being a touchy little douchnozzle teenage prick.

Second, I never said you were stupid. I tried to give you some constructive criticism based on the two shit photos you posted showing very little in terms of detail of your rear suspension setup with nothing more than "does this look bad". Look at the picture and tell me how I'm supposed we're supposed to see anything other than two little pieces of metal hanging off the frame?

Third, I never said 6" of negative arch, I said wicked negative arch, which by my definition is anything more than 1/2".

Fourth, fuck your donations. You're a big boy, you can make big boy decisions. But when that one little cheezeball strap breaks and the tire falls off on the freeway and goes through the winshield of a minivan maybe you'll rethink it. I could care less whether your truck looks TT or garage fab. Quality American made ratchet axle straps are only $20. Eat ramen instead of taco bell for a week and it pays for itself.
Hahah i actually am unfortunate enough to live on ramen so that i can afford the commute to school. Those spares are so goddamn tightly wedged in the rack that we can barely get them out without straps, let alone "fall out on the freeway and hit a minivan" LOL.

I put those pictures up to show the shackle angle and flex of the spring. I didn't break out the strobes and jacks to provide you top quality perfectly lit diagrams of my set up so you can nit pick each feature.

Third, i was quoting another members words, you can scroll up and see them yourself. You really think im going to slap 2 pieces of plate, drill a hole, and let the shackle articulate on that? What are bushings? Derrrp. I took your advice, i will be plating the shackles for extra strength and possibly the mounts. I even stated that I appreciate your input and the changes i plan to make. I just find it a bit annoying when people say all these things (spare tire danger, janky mounts without bushings), when they havn't even seen it. I agreed with what you recommended, sorry i find some of your nit-picks semi-comedic given that i've already explained I am a full time student (aka obtaining aesthetically pleasing straps are the least of my worries).

Not sure how many times i have to explain this: I am working on a very limited budget. I am lucky enough to go offroading maybe once a week (if i skimp on meals), and when I do it's not through whoops at 80. There are a number of things that need to be upgraded, and will when I am able to. What is the sense throwing down 40 bucks for straps when i already have a set that work fine, in a situation where i could essentially run no strap and still be relatively safe? When im changing to a single tire carrier asap? Let alone a grand on deavers, mounts, etc, in a truck with 200k miles? That still has the battery up front? Sorry I'm not retarded enough to blow all my money on suspension components to achieve max travel and strength, somehow there was a time before coil overs and deavers that people were going fast in the dirt and having a good time. At the end of the day I need a vehicle to get me where I need to go, and therefore set aside money for maintenance (instead of blowing it on sweet lights and paint). Its a 20 year old truck after all...

I have priorities, the first being my health, and secondly my schooling. As much as i love my truck and offroading, It is simply an object, and although i work hard to do what I can to it (only had it for a few months now and a ton has changed already), it will not all be perfect in one day. I appreciate your constructive criticism, but where do you get off calling me names? What are you like 30? I'm earning my own way and building a truck on the side, sorry I cant vomit money into it like you can.
This is my build thread to document the changes in my truck and show them to my fellow members. The truck is in very early stages of what I am working towards doing. I appreciate any and all constructive criticism, but getting upset cause you thought i misquoted you is pretty gay...

Your clearly a smart and knowledgable individual, and I respect and appreciate your input. Just try and relax that part in your mind that has to be right and consider the fact that this is a) a garage fab low budget build and b) a 20 yr old truck with more pressing issues than premature leaf wear
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Hahah i actually am unfortunate enough to live on ramen so that i can afford the commute to school. Those spares are so goddamn tightly wedged in the rack that we can barely get them out without straps, let alone "fall out on the freeway and hit a minivan" LOL.
Accidents happen, and if you get into one, even rear ended, you'll be the one liable.

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I put those pictures up to show the shackle angle and flex of the spring. I didn't break out the strobes and jacks to provide you top quality perfectly lit diagrams of my set up so you can nit pick each feature.
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does this look that bad?
Nothing about shackle angle and flex. Not nitpicking at all, given that you asked if it looked bad and given the previous replies in the thread, I commented on what I saw.

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Third, i was quoting another members words, you can scroll up and see them yourself.
You can scroll up for yourself, you quoted me, not the other member. You clicked the quote button beside my response. I'm not a mind reader.

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You really think im going to slap 2 pieces of plate, drill a hole, and let the shackle articulate on that?
I don't know you, but I've seen zip's work, so...yes, that's exactly what I thought.

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I just find it a bit annoying when people say all these things (spare tire danger, janky mounts without bushings), when they havn't even seen it.
Once again, you even said "Does this look that bad?" You don't want honest feedback, don't ask. Yes, your spare tire setup looks dangerous, I don't care how far they are wedged in. Tires wedged in isn't going to keep it in place if you get in an accident or flip your truck or even go over a speed bump too fast. Physics isn't that complicated.

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I agreed with what you recommended, sorry i find some of your nit-picks semi-comedic given that i've already explained I am a full time student (aka obtaining aesthetically pleasing straps are the least of my worries).
And I find you asinine for ignoring what I typed. I don't care what it looks like, I'm talking about simple tire security and safety, of which your spares are missing.

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Not sure how many times i have to explain this: I am working on a very limited budget. I am lucky enough to go offroading maybe once a week (if i skimp on meals), and when I do it's not through whoops at 80. There are a number of things that need to be upgraded, and will when I am able to. What is the sense throwing down 40 bucks for straps when i already have a set that work fine, in a situation where i could essentially run no strap and still be relatively safe? When im changing to a single tire carrier asap?
I completely understand working on a budget. I drove a fucking Plymouth Accliam when I was your age. But if you're not offroading that often, why not pull one of the spares out, double strap the other spare with the two skinny straps. You'll have twice the break strength and half the weight which equates to something actually "relatively safe" (as you would put it) and save money on gas which puts more money in your pocket? And there is nothing safe about a spare unsecured.

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I appreciate your constructive criticism, but where do you get off calling me names? What are you like 30? I'm earning my own way and building a truck on the side, sorry I cant vomit money into it like you can.
This is my build thread to document the changes in my truck and show them to my fellow members. The truck is in very early stages of what I am working towards doing. I appreciate any and all constructive criticism, but getting upset cause you thought i misquoted you is pretty gay...
I didn't call you any names. I said stop being a douchenozzle yadda yadda, which if you read your response...you are. One dick attitude deserves another. And there was no mistake about misquoting. You quoted me...simple.

I applaud you for taking a truck and turning it into a project, but there are certain safety aspects when building a truck you just don't cut corners on for street use, let alone offroad use. If you don't have the funds to not cut corners, the smarter solution is to save till you. You wanna live on the edge, that's fine by me, just don't put others in danger while you do it.

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Your clearly a smart and knowledgable individual, and I respect and appreciate your input. Just try and relax that part in your mind that has to be right and consider the fact that this is a) a garage fab low budget build and b) a 20 yr old truck with more pressing issues than premature leaf wear
What part of my response said your leafs are fucked up and you need new ones and that's the problem with your truck? I commented on negative arch and that leafs clap out faster under it. I understand garage fab, everything I've done to my truck is garage fab too, in my garage, by me. And I've fixed all the shit that was done wrong by "professional" shops prior to me owning the truck. Nowhere was I hating on garage fab nor your budget.
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No offence man but your shackle setup is completely unsafe and a danger to others around you on the road. and i not just talking about the negative arch from mounted under the frame, im talking about the mounting and the shackles themselves. I really don't think that could have been designed and built any worse. Please please please have those removed and have a real fabricator install something that works and wont kill people.
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1st the reason your supposed to do shackles over the frame is because a true LT leaf pack has so much droop you would be lifted a ton if your shackles are long enough. If your shackles are not long enough its not going to perform as good. You will find out when you fab something incorrect it just costs more money, it does not save money

2nd you can rely on "wedging" your tire in all you want but what happens if the tire loses air? Or if you actually get a blowout and have the blown tire in the rear, then how do you keep it in? A standard 2" ratchet strap is $8 at HF, you don't need a race type "Y" strap for $60.

3rd why do you have harnesses without a cage?

Mine is also low budget garage fab there is nothing wrong with that, but if your going to make a death trap or put other people in danger your doing it wrong
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