Mike "Wuzzy121". Rest in peace, brother

Go Back   Tacoma World Forums > Tacoma Garage > Performance and Tuning

Notices

N/A Power Gains - Dynos w/Mods

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-19-2012, 01:34 PM   #21
Max's Canadian Twin
theduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shedtheduck911 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
theduck911's Avatar
Name: Max
Joined: Oct 2010, #45374
Location: Northwestern Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,316
theduck911's Tacoma Gallery
Nice Thread Mark, good to see actual Dyno runs of these Add-ons and changes
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2012, 01:41 PM   #22
Torspd [OP] Torspd is online now
Tor-nication
Torspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Name: Tor
Joined: Sep 2009, #22958
Location: Houston
Gender: Dude
Posts: 4,333
Torspd's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManMan View Post
Ya I just wish any of these bolt-ons offered gains in the 2000rpm range

The headers show that they clearly do.

For that matter, light pulleys and a light weight flywheel will in most cases, just bump the whole range of hp and tq curves up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by memario1214 View Post
That's where I notice all of my mods... Anything lower than that is eh. So I braaaappp away
Braaaap away happy my friend.

Quote:
Originally Posted by theduck911 View Post
Nice Thread Mark, good to see actual Dyno runs of these Add-ons and changes
Thank you sir. It has taken a bit of digging, even to compile this small list. Hopefully this will create interest in viewers, to add mods, and post their dynos.

At least, this thread sheds light on what mods do what, from a relatively equal starting point.

I need to start one for F/I here as well.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2012, 02:05 PM   #23
Banned
whippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Name: Christian
Joined: Dec 2009, #27905
Location: Yorba Linda, CA
Age: 30
Gender: Dude
Posts: 35,565
whippersnapper02's Tacoma Gallery
Send a message via AIM to whippersnapper02
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManMan View Post
Ya I just wish any of these bolt-ons offered gains in the 2000rpm range
Short tubes would help low to mid range power with some top end gains.

Quote:
Originally Posted by memario1214 View Post
That's where I notice all of my mods... Anything lower than that is eh. So I braaaappp away
"One must not always need to braaaaaap."

Sir Issac Newton



Seriously though I don't always want 5000 RPM, especially with a Banks exhaust. I miss my 3rd gen RX7 TT and driving a friend's 01 Camaro SS. You could haul ass without making much of a scene.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 10:48 AM   #24
Senior Member
Night is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
Night's Avatar
Name: Mike
Joined: Feb 2011, #51613
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
Posts: 990
Night's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by whippersnapper02 View Post
Short tubes would help low to mid range power with some top end gains.



"One must not always need to braaaaaap."

Sir Issac Newton



Seriously though I don't always want 5000 RPM, especially with a Banks exhaust. I miss my 3rd gen RX7 TT and driving a friend's 01 Camaro SS. You could haul ass without making much of a scene.

Your telling me! Around 4K it gets noisy.

APR X-1 seems to be a worth while investment

Also the braaaaping away made me laugh haha
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 10:58 AM   #25
Banned
whippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shedwhippersnapper02 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Name: Christian
Joined: Dec 2009, #27905
Location: Yorba Linda, CA
Age: 30
Gender: Dude
Posts: 35,565
whippersnapper02's Tacoma Gallery
Send a message via AIM to whippersnapper02
Quote:
Originally Posted by Night View Post
Your telling me! Around 4K it gets noisy.

APR X-1 seems to be a worth while investment

Also the braaaaping away made me laugh haha
The X1 is a great mod if you can find one. I hear the UCON is just as good but I'm screwed either way since I have a 2010.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 04:18 PM   #27
Senior Member
Night is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shedNight is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
Night's Avatar
Name: Mike
Joined: Feb 2011, #51613
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
Posts: 990
Night's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torspd View Post
Like he stated. X-1 only exists in used models. Basically if someone is selling theirs to get rid of it, or to upgrade to the UCON.

UCON is engineered by the same great minds behind the X-1, except it has much more love and support for refinements and upgrades. The UCON is an amazing EMS, and far superior to the X-1.

How much does UCON run ya installed?
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 04:29 PM   #29
Junior Member
kapolani is on a distinguished road
Navy: HM2 Hooyah 195!
Joined: Jun 2012, #81292
Location: St Mary's County, MD
Gender: Male
Posts: 16
kapolani's Tacoma Gallery
I'm curious what the cost of the parts are to attain these numbers. I'm also curious what the max N/A power anyone has ever achieved.

All my past cars were boosted: MCooperS, M3, Evo 8.

I went the N/a route on my M3 before I boosted. Wasted money for minimal gain. But, looks like with bolt-on parts you can get a nice little boost in HP for the Tacoma.

I've been looking at boost options for my Tacoma. Been following your build thread, Torspd, and like what you've done.

I see there are some SC options. Also been researching turbo options. Haven't found a 'kit' that looks like a solution for my needs. In my experience turbos are the better route to go. More power and more options to go bigger if you wanted to.

Good stuff though. Appreciate the thread.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 05:02 PM   #30
Torspd [OP] Torspd is online now
Tor-nication
Torspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Name: Tor
Joined: Sep 2009, #22958
Location: Houston
Gender: Dude
Posts: 4,333
Torspd's Tacoma Gallery
I have a strong feeling that the M3 had really well designed N/A componentry from the get go. Especially considering who made it, and the particular class of car it is. Especially compared to the Tacoma. So i completely understand where you are coming from.

Thank you for the compliments as well.

For boosting, the most complete kit on the market is the URD MKIII. Otherwise, as turbos go, it is still a custom job. No one has yet made a setup that they can regularly reproduce and sell. Dare I mention STS. They did, but STAY AWAY FROM THAT JUNK.

The intake is around $300+.
Doug Thorley Long tube headers -$540
URD Y-pipe. $469-489
URD 3" catback. $529. (Other manufactures will have varying prices. )
NST crank pulley. ~$150
Tuning device. Very large range.

Those should give a rough idea as far as which mods, and associated price points. Looking on URD, one can find most of the prices unless the want something URD doesnt carry.

I am not sure what the max power for an N/A is. There is one guy on XRU who had, I believe 255 whp and 298 wtq. That is the highest I am aware of.
Full exhaust, X-1, Intake, and a few other things I cannot remember.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 06:40 AM   #31
Senior Member
Lurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Joined: May 2009, #17497
Location: Pearland, TX
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,868
Lurkin's Tacoma Gallery
BTW, I love this thread, hopefully we can keep it from degrading too much.....

Tor, if I add the numbers in your last post right, I get about $3.5-4K for about 60whp (assuming valid comparisons across dynos anyway). This compares to about 60whp and $4K for a TRD SC, if I remember correctly.

Interesting comparison to me if the numbers hold up, as I did not think the NA $/HP were that good. I also keep in mind that the TRD SC will probably make more daily driver HP then the NA mods that were listed, as I believe that those may cost some low end HP to enable the high end gains. As such, someone needs to ensure they understand what power they want and WHERE they want it to make the right decisions.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 08:27 AM   #32
Torspd [OP] Torspd is online now
Tor-nication
Torspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Name: Tor
Joined: Sep 2009, #22958
Location: Houston
Gender: Dude
Posts: 4,333
Torspd's Tacoma Gallery
As an example: URD TCAI, $289 or AFe Stage 2 $329.50, + DTLTs for $540 (price is about same or cheaper than short tubes due to labor involved), + JBA catback for $289 = ~$1150 on the high side.

That should get someone close to 240 whp and 280 wtq. The plus to that is that if ine decides to go F/I, all of those components are kept and increase the performance of the F/I unit.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 09:24 AM   #33
Junior Member
kapolani is on a distinguished road
Navy: HM2 Hooyah 195!
Joined: Jun 2012, #81292
Location: St Mary's County, MD
Gender: Male
Posts: 16
kapolani's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torspd View Post
That should get someone close to 240 whp and 280 wtq. The plus to that is that if ine decides to go F/I, all of those components are kept and increase the performance of the F/I unit.
Which is important!

Been looking at the URD kits more. Seems guys are making close to 400whp with the stage II/III kits.

That's some nice numbers right there. And the trq curve is flat and meaty. Very tempting...

As mentioned previously it's important to keep in mind that dyno readings can easily be skewed across dyno's. Unless you go to the same dyno and try to recreate the exact conditions - the numbers really need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I'm probably going to go bolt on first - just to alleviate a little of the modding bug withdrawals that I'm getting. Then, when time/money permits will go FI. Boost is addictive!
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 11:38 AM   #35
Senior Member
MadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shedMadToy is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Name: Nick
Joined: Nov 2011, #67334
Location: Huntersville, NC
Gender: Male
Posts: 824
MadToy's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torspd View Post
As an example: URD TCAI, $289 or AFe Stage 2 $329.50, + DTLTs for $540 (price is about same or cheaper than short tubes due to labor involved), + JBA catback for $289 = ~$1150 on the high side.

That should get someone close to 240 whp and 280 wtq. The plus to that is that if ine decides to go F/I, all of those components are kept and increase the performance of the F/I unit.
Do you also need to add the cost of the UCON to this? I would think the PSC Controller would not give the proper part throttle adjustments this combo would make. Is that a wrong assumption?
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 12:10 PM   #37
Senior Member
Lurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shedLurkin is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Joined: May 2009, #17497
Location: Pearland, TX
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,868
Lurkin's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torspd View Post
Not quite sure what "PSC" stands for?
MAF cali....
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 01:50 PM   #39
Torspd [OP] Torspd is online now
Tor-nication
Torspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shedTorspd is one of the sharper tools in the shed
Name: Tor
Joined: Sep 2009, #22958
Location: Houston
Gender: Dude
Posts: 4,333
Torspd's Tacoma Gallery
My price quote was just a point of reference to give an idea of basic mods to a rough amount of power output. Everyone is free to choose the quality of the mods they purchase as well as the extent of how far they want to increase their power mods.

Basically: More power = More money. We all know that.

But for the basic Joe that wants to add a few parts in and wants an idea of what the cost and output is, there you go.

Mod to your heart's extent. I know I do.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 04:39 PM   #40
Senior Member
TacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shedTacomaGus is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
TacomaGus's Avatar
Name: Gus
Joined: Jun 2009, #19121
Location: Morgantown, WV
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,159
TacomaGus's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torspd View Post
As an example: URD TCAI, $289 or AFe Stage 2 $329.50, + DTLTs for $540 (price is about same or cheaper than short tubes due to labor involved), + JBA catback for $289 = ~$1150 on the high side.

That should get someone close to 240 whp and 280 wtq. The plus to that is that if ine decides to go F/I, all of those components are kept and increase the performance of the F/I unit.
I will be getting a dyno done (and hopefully custom tune for my maf cal) in the next couple months, hope to hit around those numbers. Afe stage 2 si, JBA LT headers, custom 2.5" catback with AT 2525, along ith Maf Cal with intake/catback tune from gadget

I'd be happy with 235 whp and 270 wtq, or basically around stock numbers to the crank
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dynos Icepuck72 Performance and Tuning 6 10-07-2011 11:34 AM
Losing power after mods? Skillet 1st Gen. Tacomas 9 02-07-2011 05:08 PM
Towing power mods? metalry101 Performance and Tuning 3 06-02-2010 07:59 PM
Performace mods for power gain zeppelin987 Performance and Tuning 1 10-21-2009 07:07 PM
HP Mods - Time Performance gains wiscdave Performance and Tuning 4 09-26-2008 04:45 PM


Copyright © 2014 Tacoma Forum. Tacoma World is not owned by, or affiliated with Toyota Motor Corporation.