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Old 10-22-2014, 10:54 PM   #1
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toyota diesel query.

Toyota is trying to find the best diesel to use for their up and coming models, I guess they chose Cummings. My question is, what was wrong with the diesel from the hilux and how does it compare with the Cummings? The hilux is still widely used in Europe with legendary performance. Its smaller, less expensive, lightweight with great potential. What are everyone's thoughts on this?
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When did Toyota commit to a diesel Tacoma?
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:23 AM   #5
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When did Toyota commit to a diesel Tacoma?
the 2016 tundra is going to have an option for diesel, they are also thinking of putting one in a tacoma but not sure when.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:26 AM   #6
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yeah a D4D would be awesome.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:28 AM   #7
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is that what they are going for?
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:40 AM   #8
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Toyota is trying to find the best diesel to use for their up and coming models, I guess they chose Cummings. My question is, what was wrong with the diesel from the hilux and how does it compare with the Cummings? The hilux is still widely used in Europe with legendary performance. Its smaller, less expensive, lightweight with great potential. What are everyone's thoughts on this?
Nothing wrong with a Cummins diesel engine as some have hit the million mile marker.
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[QUOTE=Large;9345538]Nothing wrong with a Cummins diesel engine as some have hit the million mile marker.[/QUOTE

Im not saying there is anything wrong with Cummins, I think its a great motor that will last a very long time. Im simply asking, if anybody might know, why doesn't Toyota stick with the current 2KD-FTV that is made by Toyota. The engine being a in house manufacturing should cut cost down instead of paying for the cummins name and contract. Either way im glad they are planning on going back to diesel, its they way a truck should be.
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Toyota is trying to find the best diesel to use for their up and coming models, I guess they chose Cummings. My question is, what was wrong with the diesel from the hilux and how does it compare with the Cummings? The hilux is still widely used in Europe with legendary performance. Its smaller, less expensive, lightweight with great potential. What are everyone's thoughts on this?
Like MonsterComa said. It is the cost of the testing to "meet" US standards for the new engine. Whereas if they use an engine that us already in the US market, they don't have to have that expenditure.

Nissan is doing the same for the Frontier and Titan. Two variants othe same Cummins.
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I was just having this conversation with a sales person regarding the Cummins engine in the Tundra. Given their duty rating of 100% I could see them stealing all of Dodge/Ram's HD business. IMO

PS its Cummins NOT Cummings.
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is that what they are going for?
That's what OZ is going for ... with heated mirrors of course.
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I was just having this conversation with a sales person regarding the Cummins engine in the Tundra. Given their duty rating of 100% I could see them stealing all of Dodge/Ram's HD business. IMO

PS its Cummins NOT Cummings.
Thx for the correction, I realized this a little to late.
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You keep saying that, but for a road-going vehicle, I'm not sure it'd be feasible. They work for trains because they don't sit in traffic and can keep the engines running at optimum RPM. They're also running for peak power because they're loaded so they efficient given the loads they're moving. For a passenger vehicle, I'm not convinced they'd be all that great.
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Like MonsterComa said. It is the cost of the testing to "meet" US standards for the new engine. Whereas if they use an engine that us already in the US market, they don't have to have that expenditure.

Nissan is doing the same for the Frontier and Titan. Two variants othe same Cummins.
yeah i look forward to reading more about the 2.8L concept, i hope something like that will find its way into a tacoma.
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I was thinking about this on my way to work this morning. I can't wait til there's a diesel tacoma option.
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You keep saying that, but for a road-going vehicle, I'm not sure it'd be feasible. They work for trains because they don't sit in traffic and can keep the engines running at optimum RPM. They're also running for peak power because they're loaded so they efficient given the loads they're moving. For a passenger vehicle, I'm not convinced they'd be all that great.
John Deere has a diesel electric hybrid loader that runs the engine at a constant rpm solely to charge the batteries for the independent wheel motors. Something along this path could work for a truck.
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You keep saying that, but for a road-going vehicle, I'm not sure it'd be feasible. They work for trains because they don't sit in traffic and can keep the engines running at optimum RPM. They're also running for peak power because they're loaded so they efficient given the loads they're moving. For a passenger vehicle, I'm not convinced they'd be all that great.

Not sure how you figure it would be any different than a gas / electric hybrid

Runs on battery when it can , charges battery / runs on the combustion engine when it needs to

There are already diesel / electric passenger vehicles and Hino uses diesel / electric hybrid power on their newer delivery cube trucks
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