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Old 02-06-2008, 06:46 PM   #1
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No secondary air filter benefits

Just a question to all of you out there. I was wondering how many of you have remover the secondary air filter, and also did it do any good for you, maybe something bad happened because of it. What about the gas milage did it improve or get worse. I'm mainly concerned if buy removing the filter anything bad happened. All responses are welcome, and thanks in advace.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:56 PM   #2
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i removed the sec. air filter on my 06 prerunner with the 4.0 v6, and it didnt make that much of a difference as far as mileage, maybe throttle response is a tad better, and it definitely made it a little louder also(well, i have an airaid intake too). 007tacoma(mark) did a write up about it, and his is a 4 banger,and he and others with the 4banger say there is a big difference by removing the sec filter.

check out this thread......

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/per...r-removal.html
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I removed mine because I was installing my URD intake. It is definitely louder now.
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:00 PM   #4
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don't know where you live, but if in california and you take it out, better have it back in for smog checks ;~D
I doubt it. It looks like a piece of cloth that is stretched over the intake. I bet it doesn't effect emissions in any way. And I bet most people wouldn't even notice if it was gone.
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:01 PM   #5
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but, I'd probably leave it in tact and just install a CAI. Return to stock when it's time for emissions tests.
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I'll confirm the slightly better throttle response, and I add to that about a half mile per gallon improvement in fuel mileage. (I was obsessively tracking my mileage in preperation for the ECO System test when I did it.) 4.0L v6 6 speed manual 4x4 access cab.
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The secondary filter is there to absorb hydrocarbons from any unburned fuel from escaping out of the engine thru the airbox and into the atmosphere when the engine is turned off.

IMHO It won't have any effect on exhaust emmissions because

a) Unless you were running the truck in a NBC like contaminated area there is nothing a carbon filter could do to change what exits the tail pipe.

b) The airflow into the running engine is too great for such a thin layer of charcoal to have time to remove anything harmful. That would take a complex (and extreemly restrictive) filteration system, something like a giant paint respirator which would have to be changed after a set number of hours of operation.
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I wish the members of TN agreed with you. It turned into a flame fest.
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Based on that link, it really makes me wonder why the filter is in-line all the time. Seems to me it would make more sense to have some sort of valve to direct air through it or not just based upon when it's needed, which seems to be while the engine is off (to capture emissions) and the first couple of minutes of running (to emit captured emissions into engine for burning). After that, switch it out of the airflow with some sort of valve so you have a better breathing engine.
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:39 PM   #12
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Flame fest?? There's been no flaming here... If you want to see flames you should check out the "How did the war start?" thread.

I like Sawdust's idea but I don't see the auto makers spending the money to do something that fancy(expensive).
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you mean the war between redneck texans, dumb carolinians, and SOB canadians?
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:57 PM   #14
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so long secondary air filter thread...
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Old 02-07-2008, 04:05 PM   #15
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I just realized I never answered the original question. Sorry about that.

I had posted on that other thread when I removed secondary filter that I noticed better throttle response and the truck has an easier time maintaining speed climbing hills on cruise control.

I am obsessive about tracking my gas use and compared the average of the two tanks used before removing the secondary filter to the two tanks used after removal. It gave me an increase of about .9 mpg.

No negative side effects after about 1000 miles. Since these engines did not have that filter in the years before 2005 I don't expect any. Some people mention their truck sounds louder after removing the filter but I didn't notice any real change in the sound.

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you mean the war between redneck texans, dumb carolinians, and SOB canadians?
come on man, get it right..............dumb texans,redneck carolinians, and then sob canadians!!! i thought you knew better man!!
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wow guys thanks for all the responses greatly apreciated. so i'm about to go to take that filter off cant wait to see what happens. buy the way for those of you that wanted to know where i live, i'm in IL. thanks again
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Based on that link, it really makes me wonder why the filter is in-line all the time. Seems to me it would make more sense to have some sort of valve to direct air through it or not just based upon when it's needed, which seems to be while the engine is off (to capture emissions) and the first couple of minutes of running (to emit captured emissions into engine for burning). After that, switch it out of the airflow with some sort of valve so you have a better breathing engine.
This would not only be expensive as mentioned, but more moving parts that would either need servicing or they would have operating problems as they got older. I know on my 7.3l Ford Diesel I removed the exhaust back pressure valve out of the turbine housing because it does fail and you won't know it until it gets horrible mileage or a loss in power and its a pita to deal with because you have to take the turbo off.
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I started to drill mine out tonight. Got to looking and it seems that removing it with even the AFE oil free drop in, made out of rubber on the edges, there would be some slop in the fit allowing stuff to bypass the filter into the engine. Those that have removed the secondary have you just cut it out leaving the outer edge or what has been used as a spacer? Thanks
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I removed the secondary filter intact and could reinstall it if needed for some reason in the future. If you look at the airbox assembly the secondary filter is nowhere close to the drop in filter and won't have any effect on how well closing the airbox seals the drop in's edges
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