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Old 07-22-2012, 03:29 PM   #21
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Retiles learn to accosiate the cage opening with 2 things usually.
1. Food
2. Being taken out

In that order is their concern......feeding inside the cage also leaves the smell of the rat/mouse/rabbbit.

Pythons,boas, and pit vipers use heat sensors on their lips along with smell and vision to locate warm blooded prey. If a snake learns that food comes into its home on a weekly basis, they learn that the vibration from the cage opening is usually followed by food.

One day, it may feel the cage open....smell remaining urine/blood in the cage along with the mouse/rat/rabbit fur.....then see ur hand coming in (roughly the size of a rat), and sense warm blooded creature.

Those 3 things can say "food" to the snake who may bite.....this may hurt and traumatize the keeper, but MORE importantly confuse/traumatize the snake.

Now, if we are talking "hot" or venomous snakes, then I understand feeding in their cages...I've had my share.

Other issues are....substrate. if kept on pine shavings, or bark.....this can be ingested by the snake easily.

More than 1 snake per enclosure at feeding time is a huge no-no


Understand about the venomous snakes... Had a couple of snakes in offices that fed their pythons in the cages. Where do you put them instead? floor? another cage?
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Damn that's Love Brock. F#$% THAT. IDK about venomous/aggressive snakes....I like my ball python cause he's super chill. I am kind of a wuss even with big bull snakes or king snakes out here, well just because.... this summer I caught two king snakes in my friends back yard and got them in tupperware for her. My buddy was out of town and his wife was freaking the fuck out, and even though i tried to explain that they keep the mice out of her house, and even keep rattlers away.(just learned that recently)
This was her view through the sliding glass door....

two 4'+ king snakes in one burrow


Ileft em in the tupperware for animal control, cause i was at work, and the BC forbade us to put wild snakes in our ambulance, but in retrospect i wish i woulda taken em to my property for rodent control help...

she took this pic of animal control getting em out of the tupperware i put them into.


I learned about stupid handling mistakes the hard way. i got struck twice by my snake.(not bad for 5 years...) felt like a hypodemic needle... I always feed my Python in a tupperware bin, with a lid, and I put him in before I even pull the rat out of the freezer to defrost. that way theres no smell at all on my hands or anywhere. I defrost the rats in warm water on below low setting on an electric stove for 27 minutes. so they're not too hot or too cold... over Boiled rat is naaaasty. their little bellies pop.
I can tell when he is hungry, and gets crabby. and i try to not handle him other then to move him tohis feeding spot, and then give him a day to digest. I also use a curved fire poker as a make shift snake hook if i am not feeling like reaching in there with my hands. Its important to not feed them in their cage...
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i let her strike, i have to move literally everything in her cage to get her out though. she calmes down once in my hands but the second shes back in her cage she gets nippy, also she likes to strike at other peoples faces from my hands...

i feed her and my corn in a seperate feeding bin, my ing refuses to eat anything but live in his cage and the python refuses frozen.

as cruel as it sounds i do handicap the mice/rats before feeding though
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i just go for it
and they all have seperate living quarters

the king used to take prekilled then stopped eating for the longest time and i tried a ft mouse then a retarded live one and he refused the ft but at the live

she strikes at the other hand if i grab with it and shes a lil head shy, but she has greatly improved since i first got her
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huh. I am definitely no expert, but I thought bull/gopher snakes had a diamond shaped head like a rattler's. ( at least the one huge one i saw swimming by me when i was kayaking one time really looked like a rattler minus the rattles...Frickin six' and thick as you forearm, swimmin across an eddy in the Rio Grande...definitely surprised me...)
well sheeit... i really should have kept those guys to release on my land then...dammit. always good to have them around where i live. desert with bazillions of frickin rodents...:/ each house has at least an acre. permanent habitat. coyotes bunnies , rodent and snakes.


@ the tongs for feeding, i definitely use some, got to hang by their tail, and shake em to get skitzo to strike at em.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:52 PM   #27
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Bull/gopher/pine are typical coulubrids with heads proportional to their neck from my memory. They also typically have saddles (blotches) across their backs. Rattlers have massive heads (I've had 2 mohaves and a sidewainder) compared to their neck. Diamondbacks can look somewhat like a gopher from a good distance I suppose, and they do rattle their tails against brush to mimic the sound.

A rattler will also have a slit/vertical pupil as they are nocturnal.....gopher/pine/bull have round like us as they are diurnal.

Get this............the santa catalina rattle snake has no rattle....its thought that over the years, they have lost the rattle through evolution since they are semi arboreal (iirc) and spend time around trees. A rattle make become snagged.

Crazy...I had heard that there were some rattle-less rattles, because that audible alert was getting them hunted & killed by humans...(thats the non-scientific version...also total hearsay...)



so the one snake in the pic looks like normal 'splotches' like you said but the other one has bands.... thats why i thought it might be a king snake. that and the small head. but i was just guessing on the fly. we actually used a hose to fill the burrow with water, and then I used tongs to grab em when they came out for air. I tried to be careful with them and not hurt em wth the tongs and it worked pretty well. the hard part was getting the second one into that shallow bin while the first one was in there trying to escape. it was a snake rodeo for a minute...lol
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Old 07-22-2012, 11:24 PM   #28
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well holy crap look at that. that's so cool. I'd say you nailed it. they're definitely bullsnakes... that's a big boy too. I think the one i saw on the Rio grande was bigger still, or at least thicker. then again that was when first started kayaking,13 years ago, so my memory may be a bit fuzzy... I seem to remember the head was @ as big as deck of cards, body was thick as my forearm, and he was thick all the way to to a stubby tail. fuck maybe that was a rattleless rattler.
So those ones seemed like a mating pair, but maybe only 2-3 y/o....much thinner.

So of course i have heard you can pick them up no problem, but i was still spooked cause i didnt know for sure what was going on. they werent aggressive but very fast and squirmy trying to get away from my bbq tongs, and out of the bin. have you heard of people getting bitten by bullsnakes without provocation? I am sure i will run into more sooner or later in my neighborhood.
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Month bump. Just found this thread.

Eyelash viper. Raised it from a 4" baby.





Jungle carpet python. Got her as a 10" baby. She was about 6' when she died.

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Huh. it sure looks like some posts have been deleted from this thread. or i was just talking to myself last year. lol. what happen to WP_5150..?

nice yellow snakes btw. beautiful, but there will be no vipers living in my house. yikes.
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Haha yeah, that's one of the easiest ways to differentiate between males and females. Glad he's a male because he'll only get as big as about 9" where females can be over 12" at times.
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WHERE HAS THIS THREAD BEEN ALL MY LIFE!?!?!?!?! I've got some shrilankan stars, black mountain tortoises, a leopard tortoise, albino red tail boa, a random morph beardie but unfortunately extreme giant black and white tegu passed away this week…. i have to get a new one i love them.
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