2 things / just looking for opinions

with Christmas coming up I'm thinking about getting 2 things for my truck, a lift and a cold air. Just lookin for some opinions, the cold air ive been looking at is a K&n 63 Series Aircharger Kits. Any of you guys have one or feedback, also does it void the warranty or anything?

http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=63-9026

Also looking into getting a 3 or 4 inch lift. Ive looked at the old man emu, any others that would be 1500 or around that with better ride quality. Thanks for any feedback

** If anyone has pics with a 3/4 inch lift with 265/75/16s please post a pic

 

Most guys will tell you that the stock intake is better but if you want an intake, k&n is good just don't over oil it. I personally run an AFE intake with a dry filter, no chance of oil getting sucked in

 

You want better ride quality and you think you'll get that with a lift? .... duh?

 

on most vehicles the stock intake is as cold air as it gets, they have an enclosed airbox that is usually sealed to the fender. Granted there may be some flow improvements to be had on some OEM intakes, but open element intakes like k&n and the like are the opposite of a cold air intakes where the element is open under the hood sucking in heated air off the engine. There are a few aftermarket intakes like Volant and s&b that use sealed boxes but I don't know if they have applications for Toyota or not.

 

get a Volant intake....or URD

 

i have that cold air system. it makes the truck idle lower (more efficiently running), pull harder while accellerating and sounds awesome. the dyno on their website shows HP gains. i never bothered to measure the gas mileage, but if K&N didn't increase HP and gas mileage, they'd have been class actioned and ruined by now...

if the truck came with a solid cold air system, why would TRD make one with a K&N filter?

 

look at a TRUE dyno from someone with the intake.... it actually loses HP.... it is a HOT air intake... not a Cold air intake....hence the name aircharger, not cold air...

 

also, the new trd intake is made by afe

 

hes right

 

My ultra gauge is set to read intake air temps. No hotter or colder after I installed my AFE intake.

At red lights the temp does rise but once you get going it drops back down a lot quicker with the afe than it did with the stock box.

 

i meant since im gonna lift it what would be a good choice

 

i disagree. it is full enclosed and sucks air from the same holes as stock, but a shorter tube. the hood operates as the top part enclosing the set up so it doesn't pull air from engine bay.

if you think it loses horsepower, why hasn't K&N been ripped to shreds by consumer rights attorneys with class actions?

 

It says up TO. Several guys on here have dynos to show a loss. It is not enclosed in a box, therefore it is exposed to the engine heat. It also is closer to the hot engine as well. It's good for noise and mpg, but not HP.

 

how many customers do you think go dyno there vehicle before buying an intake then go back and dyno it again afterwards? My guess is not many.

ever heard of the placebo affect? People slap one of those style intakes on then hear more noise which makes them think more power. Also they see a bigger filter so that must mean more air which must mean more power. It takes more than a bigger filter and shiny tube to get more power, more air won't give you more power without the proper amount of fuel to back it up. It all has to work together. If open element filters were so much more efficient don't you think the OEMs would be using that setup? As to the comment about k&ns dyno on k&ns website showing more power so it must, how many intakes do you think they'd sell if they put up a dyno sheet of a vehicle losing 5hp? They're trying to sell you a product so they're gonna tell you what you want to hear. As far as the legality goes if it says "up to 5hp gain" that leaves alot on the table, anywhere from 0-5hp is up to a 5hp gain. So if they had one pull that made .00003 more hp than there baseline then there's no false advertising.

 

save the 300-400 bucks and apply that towards your lift, as stated " cold air intakes " are more hype than anything, you can take out the secondary charcoal filter and put in a good fresh paper or aftermarket filter ( I do run a k and n filter because we have very little dust NE and I understand you don't need a bottle of oil on it) and probably see more gain than with an intake kit. The chrome tube ones are even worse than the plastic as they act like a heat sink ( metal absorbs heat quite efficiently ) ......as far as lift I think the ride quality improved with lift. Stay away from spacers, I run OME 884x springs on their 90000 Nitros and love it. Way less sway and no lean ......

 

1. no because most people want a quiet set-up, at the expense of a few HP
2. if it's a misleading dyno, you could sue them for millions and bankrupt the company. something tells me they are smarter than that.
3. why do all the bolt-ons add HP on horsepower tv?

 

also my engine idles lower with the KN cold air. not sure why, probably just running more efficiently and having to suck air less hard.

 

they don't test with a stock truck in regular conditions on those dyno's and nowhere it says that they do....

 

Hey, Vern... that's my next project.

I already have dyno results for my Injen warm air intake. I'm going to put the stock intake back on and dyno test it to see if there's any real difference. I'll post the results in the 4 cylinder section.


Greg

 

i already explained all they need is one dyno pull to not show a loss in power and then there "up to 5hp" claim is perfectly legit and legal. and dyno numbers can easily be fudged. the reason that all the bolt ons ALWAYS make more power on horsepower tv is because those companies pay the tv network to show there products, its called marketing. just because your truck is all the sudden idling lower doesnt automatically mean its running more efficient. but then i guess if it is on the internet or tv it has to be true right.

tooter- i dont know that you fall under the normal customer catagory.
i look forward to seeing your results, even though they dont necessarily pertain to my first gen 4 banger. its always good to see the actual effect these products have vs. what they claim.