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Old 07-11-2011, 11:59 PM   #21
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Yeah, would it of been a NC if he did win? Also, did you know if Anderson won that fight he woulda faced Shileds? Sucks that it didn't turn out like that..
Um, anderson did win that fight.
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I never said all fighters outside the ufc are failures, I said the Japanese fighters (save okami and Aoki)

Kawajiri got WORKED by Melendez
Aoki lost to Melendez (convincingly)
Takanori Gomi - 1-2 in the UFC
Michihiro Omigawa - 0-4 in the UFC (granted the Elkins decision was BULLSHIT)
Takeya Mizugaki - 3-4 UFC/WEC
Kid Yamamoto - 0-1 UFC




Ropes suck in MMA because when the drive for the takedown you go out into the ropes, the ref has to "restart" you in the middle and they don't get put back into the same position. It may look like the same position but it is always slightly different. Not a fan of any type of restarts. Ropes are always bad when you are on the bottom because you can't use the ropes to help yuo get back up. Also bad because when guys get taken down, they throw their arm over the rope and hold themselves up (happens in the cage also)



First off, it's not up for debate. Ropes are terrible.
Then you tell me i'm talking down on you, then you do the exact same thing to me. Also, i've never even browsed Sherdog once.
I'm very aware of their records in Zuffa owned affiliations. That doesnt mean their failures. They are two different types of MMA is what I'm getting at and you dont seem to recognize that. "American" MMA is more focused on wrestling so they have a cage that lends to that advantage. If youve ever watched the interview with the Gracies, when they created the cage, they created it because it lent inself better towards grappling.

Each of us is entitled to our own opinions and can sit around all day and argue about it. I like the ring (not any more than the cage). more angles, smaller so there is more interactions, no wall stalls, and is catered more for strikers. Like i said i also like the allowance of soccer kicks and knees to downed opponents, and the use of yellow and red cards to encourage action instead of stalling like alot of wrestlers do in MMA.

I like Chael, that guy cracks me up. He talks alot of trash and backs it up. The guy has solid boxing and incredible wrestling. Too bad he wont take bjj training seriously because he would have had the WEC title and got the UFC title.

Plus he isnt really like what you see in his interviews. Hes actually a real nice guy. I met him and rolled with him at a seminar at Team Quest.

TRT is necessarily "cheating" either. Alot of wrestlers and really anyone who cuts weight alot develope low testosterone levels. Cutting weight from a young age really messes with your health and hormone levels (i know i wrestled in highschool and it really takes a toll on you). Alot of fighters take TRT to get their hormones right because with low testosterone you have symptomes like irritability, excessive tiredness, weakness of muscles ect. its a real medical problem. Plus when taking TRT its hard to really monitor your testosterone levels. its not like they rise gradually. they can spike or crash depending on many different factors. You may want to read up on it. its very interesting.

Alot of MMA fighters use TRT. Hendo and Marquardt are two off the top of my head. I believe Randy may use it also but i could be wrong.
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Um, anderson did win that fight.
Actualy Anderson lost via disqualification due to an illegal upkick.
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Um, anderson did win that fight.

He lost via Illegal up kick....
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No, the Chael i'm to fight with elevated levels of testosterone TRT cheating.

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Yeah, would it of been a NC if he did win? Also, did you know if Anderson won that fight he woulda faced Shileds? Sucks that it didn't turn out like that..


I know anderson lost to yushin, I thought we were talking about sonnen vs silva.


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I'm very aware of their records in Zuffa owned affiliations. That doesnt mean their failures.
Ok wrong word, it means they are not the best. (failed at the highest level)

Also, chael talked a shit ton of trash to silva (and still does) and got TAPPED. He didn't back up squat.

Also, using TRT improperly is CHEATING. You don't have to explain the shit to me.
How to properly use TRT: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/12...erapy-mma-news
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youre right, but when has losing to meledez become such a terrible thing? Im pretty sure hes ranked #2 in the world right now. Anderson silva lost to.Chonan so that must mean hes a failure and a complete can by youre ludicrous logic. Gsp got kod by matt serra so.he.must be a failure too!

Chael definately backed up everything he said. Hes the only one to ever lay a beating on the no. 1 p4p fighter in the world the way he did. He got tapped by a bjj black belt who also happens to be the no. 1 fighter. No shame in that. He laid down a solid plan of how to beat anderson. He got caught in a sub, it happens. Youre acting as like he got subbed by a white belt or some can.

using TRT is not some black and white easy thing to regulate. just because u read some bloodyelbow article doesnt mean thats all there is to it. As ive said you can have spikes and dips in testosterone.
The fact is Chael disclosed his use of TRT in all of his fights before his one with anderson and he never got popped for too much testosterone. He also disclosed it 3 times prior to his fight with anderson and the commission recognized that, reduced his suspension and gave him his liscense back. I aint sayin he isnt a sleeze ball (thats why I kinda like him), but hes a great fighter. Frankly, I cant wait to see him back. I would love to see sonnen v. Silva 2. If he does get by Stann and.gets a title shot, and its half as exciting as the first fight it would be a win for the fans.
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I can't wait till Overeem fights Silva. My money is Sergei vs Overeem 3 for the final... I attended Overeem vs Werdum in Dallas, went to the weigh ins and Overeem is one big dude..
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Oh yea man. Reem v. Big foot will be awesome. It will be a good test for Reem to see if he belongs in top 10. Silva.aint.gonna.try and pull gaurd, hes gonna come after him.
As much as id like to see sergei win I think he'll get beat by barnett. Barnetts catch wrestling is top notch and idk if sergei has an answer for it.
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youre right, but when has losing to meledez become such a terrible thing? Im pretty sure hes ranked #2 in the world right now. Anderson silva lost to.Chonan so that must mean hes a failure and a complete can by youre ludicrous logic. Gsp got kod by matt serra so.he.must be a failure too!

Chael definately backed up everything he said. He got caught in a sub
Actually my ludicrous logic is based in fact that the Jap fighters haven't been able to compete at the highest level.

Look at Gilberts record http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Melendez

Ya it looks nice, but look at the names. CANS FUCKING NOBODIES. PEOPLE WHO AREN'T RANKED TOP 10. He shouldn't be ranked number 2. It an insult to all the guys in the UFC fighting the best guys in the world.

As far as Anderson and GSP, I don't live in the past bro. I'm talking TODAY.

Last time I checked, backing up trash talk means winning. /end of story on chael.

You probably think Nick Diaz deserves his shot at GSP.
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Actually my ludicrous logic is based in fact that the Jap fighters haven't been able to compete at the highest level.

Look at Gilberts record http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Melendez

Ya it looks nice, but look at the names. CANS FUCKING NOBODIES. PEOPLE WHO AREN'T RANKED TOP 10. He shouldn't be ranked number 2. It an insult to all the guys in the UFC fighting the best guys in the world.

As far as Anderson and GSP, I don't live in the past bro. I'm talking TODAY.

Last time I checked, backing up trash talk means winning. /end of story on chael.

You probably think Nick Diaz deserves his shot at GSP.
The only notable win I see on Gilberts record, is a un with Shinya Aoki and split with Clay Guida.. So, the fight coulda gone both ways or he barley beat him...


I wanna see Melendez fight Melvin Guillard and feed him to the sharks for his UFC debut. I liked how he was calling out Edgar after his last fight, when he won against a Can..
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I wanna see Melendez fight Melvin Guillard and feed him to the sharks for his UFC debut.
FUCK YES that would be a HELL of a fight

But i think Melvin is going to fight Joe Lauzon? They both verbally agreed to it but nothing is certain. Should be a good tilt if it happens.
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PS Phil Davis pulled out of fight with Rashad due to knee injury, and LYOTO FUCKING MACHIDA is stepping in.

Anyone remember their first fight? I do. Here's a refresher course.

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PS Phil Davis pulled out of fight with Rashad due to knee injury, and LYOTO FUCKING MACHIDA is stepping in.

Anyone remember their first fight? I do. Here's a refresher course.


I was about to post that now this is gonna draw viewers. Really wasn't looking forward to the card till now...
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FUCK YES that would be a HELL of a fight

But i think Melvin is going to fight Joe Lauzon? They both verbally agreed to it but nothing is certain. Should be a good tilt if it happens.

I think so, Melvin has been on fire. He should get a shot at the title if he beats Joe Lauzon. There needs an Louisiana born UFC champ... Dustin Porier is another LA fighter that has been doing well in the UFC/WEC.
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Arguing with you is like talking to a wall. You throw around the word can, failure and nobody.
Whos a "nobody" on Gilberts record? Do you even watch mma outside of ufc?
The fact is based on Gilberts dominance in Strikeforce hes ranked #2. some keyboard warrior saying just because a fighter is not in the ufc means hes not a top teir fighter is and insult to all mma fighters.
You want to bash jmma and jap fighters based on a narrow minded view.
Jmma and amma are two different styles of mma with two dif rule sets, two diff rings and two diff styles of fighting that have a huge outcome on fights. Who says people in the ufc would be as dominant or win in a jmma event? Guys like fitch, gsp, and guida would never win fights because they would get yellow cards for stalling and deducted points. They would get stood up for stalling and that could change how a figgt ends. If you like one style or type of mma better, great, but calling all jap figgters failures is idiotic. They just havent made the necessary adjustments to make the switch to amma yet. You consistently overlook or ignore this point everytime you post. I suggest if you train bjj or mma just spar a little in a ring and in a cage. Youll notice a difference in the outcome. Itll give you a inkling of an idea of just one of the differences.
You can deny chaels fighting record all you want but his beatdown on anderson made him look human and seeing anderson overcome the beating and win via triangle made the fight all that much more spectacular. Chael comes to fight and he made anderson likeable again. chael comes to fight every time.
I dont think anyone "deserves" a title shot. You earn it. If the ufc thinks diaz earned his shot (he has put on fantastic fights since hes had the title) then im glad to watch it. It should be a great fight. maybe hell be the guy that will make gsp really fight instead of play it safe.
I wouldnt mind seeing gilbert fight edgar. Im always interested in a champ vs champ fight.
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How about this, who is a SOMEBODY outside of Shinya Aoki? Kawajiri? REALLY? Past his prime, back in Japan fighting scrubs.

And yes if you don't fight in the UFC you aren't top tier. Bottom line. Nobody thinks guys in the farm league are the best players in hockey, it's guys in the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB

Calling out GSP for stalling eh? I did think you had some kind of brain in there.

Name some successful Jap fighters in the UFC. O wait there are none.

Yep Chael ALMOST beating a guy with a broken rib *clap clap clap* real impressive. (and chael fucking cheating as well)

PS Diaz's fantastic fights, sure easy when you're fighting NOBODIES. Daley? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING? Couldn't even get past Koscheck. Cyborg? REALLY?

Name TWO top 10 fighters Melendez has fought.

Name TWO top 10 fighters Diaz has fought.

You can't because they are fighting fucking scrubs. Get your head outta your ass
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I will say this, there may be "top" fighters in other organizations, but they aren't TOP fighters until they get some wins against TOP competition, which is in the UFC. And you sure as hell can't deny that.
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Ive agreed that the ufc has picked up many of the best fighters. Saying that all those not in the ufc isnt right. Hendo isnt a top fighter? How about Reem, Werdum, fedor, barnett, and the other talented fighters in other orgs? It obvious your stuck in your narrow minded view. I suggest to really understand mma better you take a marial art like bjj, wrestling or boxing if you dont already. It may give you more incite into the sport.
what do you mean who has melendez faced besides kiwajiri and aoki? Thats like saying "who has gsp faced besides a,b, and c" ecluding all of his prominant wins. Melendez had fought alot of good.fighters like thompson, kiwajiri, aoki, ishida, kato, guida, takeya. Do u watch mma outside of ufc? Theyre all good fighters and bes beaten all of.them decisively. He has 11 finishes on his record excluding his one submission win. He has a very solid career. as good or better than when alot of ufc guys got into the ufc with. I cant wait for.him to get absorbed in the ufc. Itll make an already competitive division even more so. I suspect he will handle himself fine against the ufcs best.
Ive never bashed gsp. Hes arguably the p4p best. He does fight safe. theres no reason a guy with that much skill talent and athletic ability cant finish fights. Thats why I want to see him fight diaz. Hes got great bjj, boxing and.incredible cardio. Plus he comes to.fight and.he.takes risks. Isnt that what mmas about? Do I.think hes better than gsp? Nah, but this could be a fight that really shows off gsps finishing ability and heart and.thats the.gsp I wanna see. Before he got ko'd by serra he.was.one of the most exciting fighters to watch. I just dont understand ur lack of repect. Its one.thing to predict fights based on assumptions and educated guesses. It another to completely bash and fighter or group of fighters on nothing but closed minded trash talk. Mma is about matchups and a person can win or lose to anyone on any given day.

Im def phyched for machida v. Rashad. Id like to see machida take on jones assuming they both win of course.
I am.kinda disappinted davis.pulled out cause.i was interested to see how he would do against top level competition.
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Reem - most notable win in mma is against werdum (ufc castoff) and I fucking love the reem

Fedor - hasn't beaten a top 10 HW in YEARS (i also love fedor)

Barnett - dirty cheater hasn't beaten a top 10 HW in YEARS

melendez - pretty sure none of those guys are top 10


Making a career out of fighting bums, has beens, never weres, doesnt make you the best in the world. Any fights over 4-5 years ago are irrelevant now.

Lets take a quick look at GSP's record from the last 3 years - Shields, kos, hardy, alves, penn, fitch, serra ALL TOP 10 FIGHTERS WHEN THEY FOUGHT, not to mention he beat them all HANDILY. This is what makes you the best, fighting the best!

Do I think Melendez has the tools to compete in the UFC? Absolutely! But he has to prove it. Get to the big show and get some big wins over top 10 opponents, not fucking josh thompson.

Hendo is a top fighter, he wasn't cut from the UFC, it was a contract dispute. He should be in the UFC fighting the big dogs, Now he's fighting the small fish (calvacante? babalu?) But hendo has proved himself against TOP FIGHTERS (Bisbing, Franklin, Paul Harris, Wanderlei, Belfort, and also lost to Anderson and Rampage) in the last 5 years.

I rank fighters based on what they've done, not what they might do.

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Arguing with you is pointless. You cant see past mmath. styles make fights and any fighter can win against any fighter. different rules, rings and scoring systems have a huge impact on fights. Brenneman wasnt on anyones radar and beat story, a top 10 fighter, handily. Does that make him a top 10 fighter? Not necessarily. Was he a "scrub" before? No.

I just read machida turned.down.the.fight with rashad. Is.this true. My phone is a peice of crap.
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