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ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 08:12 AM

Comprehensive 5-lug 2nd gen lowering info.
 
5 lug base and X-Runner (XR), front suspension.

-3" (base and XR) DJM upper/lower control arms.

Fits all base and XR models.
The lowest price I've found is $410 shipped from Tony (DJM Direct) on X-Runner Underground (XRU).
They work by moving the all of the mounting points up 3" via replacing upper and lower control arms (UCA and LCA).
You will need new ball joints or transfer your stock ball joints to this kit.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...k/177ad2be.jpg

I like the MOOG Problem Solver ball joints because they are greaseable.

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Originally Posted by Hot Taco (Post 6195000)
Some info that might be helpful to add to the already super-helpful 1st post in this thread... ;)

The part number for the MOOG ball joints for a 2005-2011 base model Tacoma is as follows. I'm assuming nothing has changed for 2012-2013?:DJM now sells their lowering kits with the ball joints already pressed in. I don't know what brand they use, but the photos show that they are grease-able. Considering DJM only charges <$100 more for kits that include the ball joints, that's a money and time saver if you're not going to use your OEM ball joints:I'd so like to go the route of getting the front control arm kit with the joints already pressed-in, but I'm thinking that having the control arms sand blasted and powder coated might be a good idea since the DJM finish has a tendency to flake-off pretty quickly (in my experience).


http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...k/66a5657b.jpg

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Adjustable control arms.

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Originally Posted by 07TacoRidah (Post 7969032)
Company I am going through as of now (Day Motor Sports) links;

Arms (because of my drop I went with 11" and 12").
http://www.daymotorsports.com/proddi...%29+5%2F8+LH+j

Ball joints (these are the ones I ordered/are on back order currently awaiting updates on availability :( ).
http://www.daymotorsports.com/proddi...apers+in+pinto

Ball joint list
http://www.daymotorsports.com/prodin...20Accessories~

Spacers
http://www.daymotorsports.com/proddi...rm+heim+ends.+

As of now, the current pictures are of when I started to post again. I am unfortunately still waiting for the ball joints I ordered (had to send one in picture back because the cotter pin wouldn't go through the ball joint hole to lock the castle nut). As for the way the ball joint sits, I have yet to install/or test fit. No where to do it really :(

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-2.2" (base) or -1.7" (XR) XII coils

These coils drop the base model 2.2". 1.7" from the coil and factor in .5" from the stock height XR coil.
Remember these were designed to drop the XR, so you must account for the height different from stock XR coils to stock base model coils.
They work by shortening the coil and increasing spring rate via replacing the stock coils.

Pictured: old skool Sittin Sic 1" drop coils (850 ppi).

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...k/055b1581.jpg

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-0.5" (base) or 0" (XR) XR Bilstein struts.

Stock for the XR, they drop the base model 0.5" and stiffen the front.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...101_140851.jpg

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-1" (base and XR) Spindle drop spacer.

Fits all base and XR models.
The spacers can be made available from .5" to 1.5".
Most commonly used are 1" drop spacers.
Good luck finding them, I had mine made by Phil Dammit.
They work by moving the spindle and UCA farther from the LCA by spacing the LCA and bottom of the spindle via the addition of aluminum spacers and longer bolts.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...3B587E80C3.jpg

Install between part 5 and part 18.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...ck/F802050.gif

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-2" (base) or 1.5" (XR) SOS drop kit from TundraRacing.com

Will fit all base and XR models.
Designed to drop the XR 1.5" then account for natural difference in spring height to get 2" for base models.
Basically what you're getting is a lower spring spacer.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...nerdropkit.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...k/CIMG0941.jpg

Install between part 6 and part 9.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...ck/F802050.gif

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Sway Bars

These XII Performance sway bars are thicker than stock and reduce body roll.
Note: base models do not have a rear sway bar.

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If you are using lowering springs and spindle spacers the top nut on the strut stem will not thread down and secure the strut to the tower.
You will need to stack washers or fabricate spacers.

Before:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...ps33570700.jpg

After:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...A6C2D7DD41.jpg
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Dammit (Post 8141949)
We can now offer an improvement over just having drop coils. Using adjustable coilover shocks, with 18 settings. These are simultaneous adjustable shocks, meaning that both compression and rebound dampening settings are adjusted with one control. (Dual adjustable shocks available for extra cost) A couple spring rates will be offered for either street, weekend warrior, and all track rates. These can be adjusted to stock height down to a 2 inch drop (results will vary to each vehicle). With the combination of the right spring rate and the right shock setting, you'll think that you're in a sports car running through the apex. For those of you that have installed our drop coils without issues, you will quickly see that this kit is not different. We always strive to ensure that our kits are easy to install, are completely a bolt on, and are of the quality we expect.

Kits will include:

18 Valving Adjustable Coil Over Kit with Spherical bearings
Spanner Wrench / Bearing Kit
All Bolts and Hardware

3 Choices for Coil Rate. The coils are made by Eibach and will be silver in color.
1. 550 Coil Rate for Street Use
2. 600 Coil Rate for Weekend Track Warrior
3. 650 Coil Rate for Main Track Use

These coils will be interchangeable. We will offer for sale the coils by them selves in each rate if you decide to change the coil rate at a later date.

http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6a78130a.jpg

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In the air: DJM arms, 1" drop coils, 1" spindle spacers, XR Bilstein struts; equalling 6" drop and camber maxed out at 3* of negative camber.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...3B72289A12.jpg

On the ground:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...k/100_3110.jpg

ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 08:12 AM

5 lug base and X-Runner (XR), rear suspension.

-1" (base) or -0.5" (XR) leafs.

Find a pair of 6 lug (PreRunner or 4x4) leafs and install.
Because 5 luggers are spring under axle (SUA) we have a taller arch to the springs.
Because 6 luggers are spring over axle (SOA) they have a shorter arch.
XR leaf springs are the stiffest, then 6 lug, and lastly base model springs.

Six lug leaf springs:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...k/leafs1-1.jpg

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-2.75" (base) or -2.25" (XR) XII Performance composite monoleaf.

Replaces leaf packs with a single leaf.

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-2.5" (base) or -2" (XR) XII Performance steel leaf packs.

Replaces leaf packs with less arched leafs.

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-0.5" (base) or 0" (XR) Bilstein shocks.

The taller one is the driver's side to accommodate the weight of the gas tank.
This is why the infamous "Taco lean" is not overly prevalent on 2nd gens.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...k/06547dcc.jpg

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-1" to -4.5" drop blocks.

Fits base and XR models.
Available in a variety of height options.
For blocks over 3" tall you want a tapered block to return the pinion closer to stock. Meaning the blocks correct the angle of the rear axle.
Tapered steel blocks with grade 8 hardware and low profile bump stops are preferred from Streetacos.com.

Pictured are Beefed Taco tapered blocks with offset pin and offset hole.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...TE0NS5qcGc.jpg

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-0.5" Defined Engineering leaf shackles.

Originally designed to allow droop for 6 lug off road suspension, they lower all 5 luggers and gives more droop.

Pictured is a stock shackle (left) and a greaseable Defined shackle (right).
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...Tc0Mi5qcGc.jpg

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QA1 adjustable rear shocks.

TS703 - 18 way adjustable shocks are desirable for any drop.
I choose to order from Luis at Paradise Racing because they are the cheapest, give him a call.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...Truck/QA11.jpg

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Frame notches.

Cut the frame and box it; add low profile bump stops if not already installed.
Add plate to the outside of the frame for added piece of mind.
This allows room for the axle to travel.
Highly desirable, almost necessary, for drops over 3".

Boxed:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...TY1Ni5qcGc.jpg

Extra plating:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...TI1MC5qcGc.jpg

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X brace.

Standard equipment on XR models.
Can be added to base models with fabrication.
This stiffens the rear suspension and is where the X-Runner name is derived.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...38_3nKoG-M.jpg

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Sway Bars

These XII Performance sway bars are thicker than stock and reduce body roll.
Note: base models do not have a rear sway bar.

XII Performance adjustable rear sway bar.

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In the air: Beefed 4.5" tapered/offset blocks, QA1 shocks, 6-lug leafs (minus overload).

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...TIzNC5qcGc.jpg

On the ground: you will rub the brace that connects the bedside to the bed. Remove the fender liner and bracket, then trim the tabs on the bedsides.
Note: be careful when cutting the tabs as the sheet metal bedsides are thin.


http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...TQ0OS5qcGc.jpg

ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 08:13 AM

Frequently Asked Questions.

What's that rotational metal on metal noise?

Chances are it is the front of the drive shaft rubbing on the dust cap at the transmission output.
This will correct itself over a few weeks of driving, or you can trim/remove the dust cap be removing the drive shaft.

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Is there any rubbing?

Yes.

You will rub the rear beside brace.
See next question for trimming solution.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...1307473498.jpg

You will rub the e-brake lines between the cab and drive shaft, depending on how low your drop is.
I have not found a way around this, yet.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...1307473634.jpg

Base model drivers only:
If you drop it and don't stiffen it, you will stuff and rub stock tires.
DJM control arms and spindle spacers change the geometry of suspension, not the spring rate.
Rule of thumb is if you add stiffer springs, you need stiffer struts.
The base model struts do not like higher spring rate coils and are prone to premature failure when paired as such.


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What will I have to trim?

All you will have to trim are the bedsides.
Remove the rear fender liner and the 4 bolts holding that bracket, and trim the bedside tabs.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...1307473498.jpg

If you're low enough, you might hit the pumpkin on the bottom of the bed.
Really what you're hitting is the bracket on top of the axle.
Simply bend it backwards to the backside.

Before:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...diffbefore.jpg

After:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4.../diffafter.jpg

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Smells like burning.

If you have your exhaust chopped off before the axle, and you don't have a turn down, your hot exhaust will start melting the brake lines. No bueno.
Chop them off and relocate them to the rear of the axle.

Note the relocated lines with blue tubing ziptied to them. I cut up a spare vent tube from my dirt bike because the shielding was melted before relocating.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d4...210_125008.jpg

ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 08:13 AM

Vendor and website list.

Mag Auto - A dealership in Virginia that sells parts at a wholesale price online. I have not found cheaper parts anywhere.

Streetacos - aka Beefed Taco from San Diego. Brian is a stand up guy and will help you out. He is a vendor on TW and CT.

Phil Dammit - Phil is kind of a clown and lives in Arizona. He'll get you those lower spindle spacers from a half inch up to 1.5 inches.

XII Performance - Pronounced "Twelve Performance." The owners bought the remaining stock of Sittin Sic parts when Shane ended it. They are avid on X-Runner Underground (XRU).
You can get upgraded suspension components here.

Tundra Racing - You can get that SOS drop kit and a drop kit for PreRunners here.

Paradise Racing - Call and talk to Luis for a good price on QA1 rear shocks.

ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 08:21 AM

Reserved 5.

the.sight.picture 11-04-2012 08:22 AM

lol wtf dude^

ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by the.sight.picture (Post 5941076)
lol wtf dude^

Welcome to the internet.

the.sight.picture 11-04-2012 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ryanjboutin (Post 5941115)
Welcome to the internet.

I have been on tw today for almost 14 hours on and off TODAY. Welcome to you

ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by the.sight.picture (Post 5941124)
I have been on tw today for almost 14 hours on and off TODAY. Welcome to you

There have only been 11.5 hours so far today, so...OYG.

dually 11-04-2012 01:23 PM

Mods, please make sticky....

ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dually (Post 5941978)
Mods, please make sticky....

It's in the works.

Am I missing anything?

Pretty sure I covered the bases.

dually 11-04-2012 01:27 PM

No not really.. Possibly link 'how to's' or make your own!

oh, just checked my itinerary i'll be there till the 10th, we'll have to grab a beer.

ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dually (Post 5941995)
No not really.. Possibly link 'how to's' or make your own!

oh, just checked my itinerary i'll be there till the 10th, we'll have to grab a beer.

I'm only unsure on where the SOS spacer goes.

Such a craptastic idea. I can't find any pics online.

dually 11-04-2012 01:51 PM

Boom http://www.xr-underground.com/forum/...ead.php?t=5487

dually 11-04-2012 01:53 PM

Looks as though they sit on the bottom perch.

ryanjboutin 11-04-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dually (Post 5942082)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dually (Post 5942092)
Looks as though they sit on the bottom perch.

Updated first post, thanks Jake.

Kavik 11-13-2012 03:17 PM

This is awesome! I like seeing the options all in one place. Great work!

weazleburger 11-13-2012 04:53 PM

excellent work ryan!

07TacoRidah 11-14-2012 12:40 PM

has anyone figured out the BPV issue yet? It's starting to bug me a little (feel stupid when I brake too, looks like I'm being all dramamtic with my stops :( ).

Mr.Schertz 11-17-2012 09:44 PM

so if I want a minimal drop but a little added performance on handling go with bilstien shocks and struts for a .5 in drop?


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