new lift suggestions

[KaliTaco]

i have an 08 taco db lb and i want to lift it. what option would be the best option. trying to keep cost down. thanks

option 1. do rear tsb leaf spring at toyota and bilstien 5100's adj in front. and set at 2.5 inch. cost is $160 for parts.

or

option 2. do rear tsb at toyota get 1 inch blocks for the rear and billy 5100 adj in the front and set to 2.5? cost is $250 for parts.

[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by KaliTaco

i have an 08 taco db lb and i want to lift it. what option would be the best option. trying to keep cost down. thanks

option 1. do rear tsb leaf spring at toyota and bilstien 5100's adj in front. and set at 2.5 inch. cost is $160 for parts.

or

option 2. do rear tsb at toyota get 1 inch blocks for the rear and billy 5100 adj in the front and set to 2.5? cost is $250 for parts.

dont do blocks in the rear..........the ride will definitely suffer. go with the rear leaf tsb, then billy 5100's set at 1.75........ride should be good and pretty close to level, especially after the rear settles a bit.

[KaliTaco]

i kinda wanted to do the 2.5 inch lift. 1.75 to level sounds good. if i wanted to do 2.5 in the front what would be good in back with the leaf springs tsb?

[aww1970]

Originally Posted by tacomaman06

dont do blocks in the rear..........the ride will definitely suffer. go with the rear leaf tsb, then billy 5100's set at 1.75........ride should be good and pretty close to level, especially after the rear settles a bit.

How will rear blocks make the ride suffer.

[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by aww1970

How will rear blocks make the ride suffer.

with rear blocks, they can cause alot of axle wrap, and blocks are also known to break, so to me...definitely not worth running blocks. i'd much rather run aal's.

[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by KaliTaco

i kinda wanted to do the 2.5 inch lift. 1.75 to level sounds good. if i wanted to do 2.5 in the front what would be good in back with the leaf springs tsb?

an aal should do the trick for you(add a leaf).

[timmer]

OK here you go

Get the TSB done - this is a no brainier this will add from 3/4 to 1" on the back end.

Get the billstein 5100 ADJ for the front set preferably to the 1-3/4 or third setting. Do this unless you might want to go with a 2.5 OR GREATER lift overall. If you want to go 2.5 or greater you will need some sort of aftermarket coil. IF you set your bilsteins at the high notch what you get is as high as it will ever go with out new coils. And it will start to settle from what you get. IF you decide to go the 2.5 route that is totally up to you but be aware of the effects of this decision

Get the Bilstein 5100 HD’s for the back do this if you want to get better dampening in the rear end or if you have notions of lifting the rear any more than the stock TSB height. If you want to go a bit higher then get an AAL. This should get you back to just about stock rake but increase your approach departure and break over angles. And also give you that bump absorbing ride you’re looking for.

Now for the downside

Some AAL pacs may require you to remove your overload leaf and rebuild the TSB springs to keep the brackets from interfering with the spring’s normal flexation and reduce bone jarring stiffness. (Most AAL pacs are designed to work with the Stock springs not the TSB upgraded springs) once you remove the overload leaf you will lose all of what you gained from the TSB and then some.

Case in point:------

I had the TSB done I gained 3/4 on the passenger side
I had a 3 AAL pac done & I gained another 2 1/8 on the passenger side
I had the OL Leaf removed (as per IVD) & I lost 1-1/4 on the passenger side

As a result of the rear spring work I gained a whole bunch of flex and 7/8" from the AAL over the TSB and it settled to 1-5/8" over stock. all this was fine but I also raised the front end 2.5" with adjustable coils as a result I lost about 7/8"" from the factory Rake as well as critical rear departure angle from the top measurement. O on recommendation from my Toyota Master Mechanic friend who specializes in Toyota 4x4' builds, I installed a 1" billett block under the now rebuilt 6 pack.

Now I’m sitting at 2.3/4" over stock (where the extra 1/8 came from I don’t know but I expect it was gained in interpolation due to estimating the effects of a change in tire size). We also raised the front coils another 1/4" to 2-3/4 which got me back to stock rake.

Adding a 32" set of MT's has increased my minimum ground clearance 3/4 of an inch that coupled with the 2-3/4 lift increased my over spring clearance by 3.5" and greatly increased my break over angles all around.

End example------

What I meant to exemplify and stress is to not underestimate the effects that the lift will or won’t give you but to make you aware that every change you make has an effect on the overall look geometry and operation of your vehicle. SO whatever you look at perform your due diligence because it is you that will have to live with your decisions

Have Fun

timmer

[rwcfrank]

Does the TSB change the ride height in the front? Or just the rear?? I plane to get my done next week and I am hoping they will install spacer that I supply.. Adding the spacers should only add about 30 mnutes to the job and I am willing to pay for that...Thought? Comments???

[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by rwcfrank

Does the TSB change the ride height in the front? Or just the rear?? I plane to get my done next week and I am hoping they will install spacer that I supply.. Adding the spacers should only add about 30 mnutes to the job and I am willing to pay for that...Thought? Comments???

the tsb only changes height in the rear. what kinda spacers are you adding??

[rwcfrank]

I havent decided on the spacers, I am leaning towards welded steel vs aluminum, any suggestions? I have seen some on Ebay for around $70 that look fairly well made...

[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by rwcfrank

I havent decided on the spacers, I am leaning towards welded steel vs aluminum, any suggestions? I have seen some on Ebay for around $70 that look fairly well made...

either/or really, but i'd probably go with the steel ones.

[rwcfrank]

Thanks for the suggestions, now I will see what the dealer says about non OEM parts being installed during the TSB. From my perspective it's an easy way to charge an hours labor for an otherwise "free" job. I will let you all know how it goes...

[timmer]

Originally Posted by rwcfrank

Thanks for the suggestions, now I will see what the dealer says about non OEM parts being installed during the TSB. From my perspective it's an easy way to charge an hours labor for an otherwise "free" job. I will let you all know how it goes...

personally I would Not have the dealer install front coil spacers at the same time you have the TSB done.

and again I would go with front coil spacers. If I was going to pay to have the front coils taken off I would go ahead and reshock them.

[FloridaTaco]

Originally Posted by tacomaman06

dont do blocks in the rear..........the ride will definitely suffer. go with the rear leaf tsb, then billy 5100's set at 1.75........ride should be good and pretty close to level, especially after the rear settles a bit.

Tacomaman06 I'm just curious, Do you work for some kind of 4x4 shop ? or a spring and alignment shop ? Just wondering....................

[KaliTaco]

this was alot of help. thank you to all. im going to get the tsb done so i get about 1 inch lift in back and billy's 5100 and set to 2.5 setting with stock coils. very helpful forum. thank you to timmer and tacomaman06

[SongDog]

Sorry...but I could not be more impressed with my rear blocks. I've got PRO COMP 2.5" front spacers, 2" rear blocks and LOVE IT. I think that a lot if people tend to get too invoived with the "serious of-road" world and spend more money than is needed. If your just an average driver looking for some additional clearance...don't worry about it. You are not going to notice a difference between any of the BASIC lifts. If your a SERIOUS 4x4'R...you would be looking on the Crawler forums and be happy to spend THOUSANDS on your rig. Lift it and you will be happy.

[KaliTaco]

your spacers and block with stock springs? any upgrades?

[FloridaTaco]

Originally Posted by SongDog

Sorry...but I could not be more impressed with my rear blocks. I've got PRO COMP 2.5" front spacers, 2" rear blocks and LOVE IT. I think that a lot if people tend to get too invoived with the "serious of-road" world and spend more money than is needed. If your just an average driver looking for some additional clearance...don't worry about it. You are not going to notice a difference between any of the BASIC lifts. If your a SERIOUS 4x4'R...you would be looking on the Crawler forums and be happy to spend THOUSANDS on your rig. Lift it and you will be happy.

AMEN Brother !!! SongDog you hit the nail on the head. I feel the same way. I think alot of people on here get alot of costly advice ( sometimes) it all depends on what you are doing with the truck............

[KaliTaco]

so final question is that im not going off roading. just want to lift my truck. im going with billys 5100 in the front and adjusting them to 2.5. rear blocks at 1 inch with tsb leaf. everything else stock. do you guys see anything wrong with that setup?

[tacomaman06]

Originally Posted by FloridaTaco

Tacomaman06 I'm just curious, Do you work for some kind of 4x4 shop ? or a spring and alignment shop ? Just wondering....................

nope....i build golf carts.

as far as my comment about blocks....if you like them,cool. i have known blocks to cause axle wrap, so i always suggest going with aal's in the rear over blocks. pure suggestion/ pure opinion.